Fr. Ivo C. de Souza quoted a popular pseudo-science book as follows:
Although one can never prove it from one side only, the data are consistent
with an experience in which the experiencers contact a spiritual reality
OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN MINDS (p.278).
This is precisely the problem. Please
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
These changes show that the mystical experiences are not delusions or
hallucinations. But they are triggered by the reality outside the brain.
The above statement is scientifically
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
I would like to correct the misinformation regarding Neuroscience and
Physics in Fr. Ivo's post below.
Mental processes, thoughts, emotions, volition, consciousness, love,
empathy, mystical states and experiences, hallucinations, illusions,
delusions
--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
These changes show that the mystical experiences are not delusions or
hallucinations. But they are triggered by the reality outside the brain.
The above statement is scientifically wrong. If Beauregard had made the above
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
These changes show that the mystical experiences are not delusions or
hallucinations. But they are triggered by the reality outside the brain.
The above statement is scientifically
*Neuroscience, God and Soul*
*Wed Mar 18 12:44:49 PDT 2009*
From: Mario Goveia mgoveia at
sbcglobal.nethttp://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
*...how do experiments in mystical experiences prove** anything other
than the individuals are having mystical experiences?* ***Mystical
From: Joao Barros-Pereira joaobarrospere...@gmail.com
E M Foster once wrote: I don't believe in belief.
***Do you accept this statement? How many beliefs do you sustain in your
life?
I share his sentiments as the atheists and theists are really sailing in
the
same boat: they don't know.
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:14:49 +0530
From: Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in
1. Mystical experiences which are instantiated in the neuronal systems and
circuits are not illusions. They are created by a reality outside the
brain.
2. Precisely personal faith is rooted in the history of God's
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
...how do experiments in mystical experiences prove
anything other than the individuals are having mystical experiences?
***Mystical experiences which are instantiated in the neuronal systems and
circuits are not illusions. They are created by a reality
--- On Tue, 3/10/09, amar kantak kanta...@yahoo.com wrote:
PLEASE NOTE THAT
NOBODY HAS A PHD ON GOD OR RELIGION.
The above is not true. Hundreds, if not thousands of people in the world have
obtained a Ph.D. in religion. There are many universities that offer such a
degree. Here
Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
From: Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Neuroscience, God and Soul
To: goa...@goanet.org
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:35 PM
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
As the only real voice of reason, truth and peace on
Goanet, I am sorry
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
As the only real voice of reason, truth and peace on Goanet, I am sorry to
inform you that you cannot have it both ways.
Why? Because, if I am right, it proves that all this neuroscientific mumbo
jumbo on the existence of God is a collossal waste of
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:35:36 +0530
From: Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in
I agree to disagree with you that because the existence of God cannot be proved
or disproved by Science, there is no scientific basis for the mystical
experience. It is the human brain that receives the impact of
I would like to correct the misinformation regarding Neuroscience and Physics
in Fr. Ivo's post below.
Mental processes, thoughts, emotions, volition, consciousness, love, empathy,
mystical states and experiences, hallucinations, illusions, delusions and
figments of mind are real physical
From: Mario Goveia
I think such endless discussions in the past have clearly established
that a) the hypothesis that a supernatural being exists cannot be proven
conclusively by the rigorous standards of science, whereas, b) science is
unable to prove conclusively that a supernatural being
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
I think such endless discussions in the past have clearly established that
a) the hypothesis that a supernatural being exists cannot be proven
conclusively by the rigorous standards of science, whereas, b) science is
unable to prove conclusively that a
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
***Dr. Mario Beauregard is a professional neuroscientist.
His books have been peer-reviewed and internationally
accepted. His authority is being accepted everywhere.
I guess, in the face of this malarkey, the best thing to do is
] Neuroscience, God and Soul
I guess, in the face of this malarkey, the best thing to do is to quote how
this book was trashed by Douglas Mesner, a professional scientific reviewer.
Here is his concluding paragraph.
QUOTE
A science book that attempts to justify supernaturalism sometimes holds
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
***Dr. Mario Beauregard is a professional neuroscientist.
His books have been peer-reviewed and internationally
accepted. His authority is being accepted everywhere.
I guess, in the face
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
Fr. Ivo wrote:
Religion has a scientific basis in universe and human being. This is what
Dr.Santosh will not be able to understand...
I explain below exactly how Fr. Ivo raises the scientific illiteracy of
Goanetters who are unfortunate enough to read
Fr. Ivo wrote:
Religion has a scientific basis in universe and human being. This is what
Dr.Santosh will not be able to understand...
I explain below exactly how Fr. Ivo raises the scientific illiteracy of
Goanetters who are unfortunate enough to read his posts in this thread.
Religion has
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
I corrected Dr.Santosh Helekar, who quoted Dr.Mario, saying: the mystical
experiences are mediated by several brain regions and
systems, and misinterpreted the word mediated as a denial of
Let me state once again why Fr. Ivo's posts in this thread are compounding the
ignorance of Goanetters regarding neuroscience, and making them more
scientifically illiterate.
Fr. Ivo does not understand that science has nothing to do with the
supernatural concepts of Christianity or any other
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
Let me state once again why Fr. Ivo's posts in this thread are compounding
the ignorance of Goanetters regarding neuroscience, and making them more
scientifically illiterate.
***Dr.Santosh is betraying his own illiteracy with this post.
Fr. Ivo does
Dear Goanetters,
I am showing from neuroscientific experiments, conducted by neuroscientists,
that there is a Reality (that we call God and soul).
Dr.Mario Beauregard has shown it. I corrected Dr.Santosh Helekar, who quoted
Dr.Mario, saying: the mystical experiences are mediated by several
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
I corrected Dr.Santosh Helekar, who quoted Dr.Mario, saying: the mystical
experiences are mediated by several brain regions and
systems, and misinterpreted the word mediated as a denial of God's
reality.
The above assertion is
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