Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed; Church Thinker

2013-07-29 Thread Sebastian Borges
  Santosh seems to have hit the nail right on the head. The rambling essay is too shallow to merit the attention of scholars. Despite its sensational revelation, it has been rightly ignored by the press in Goa; however, a Konkani (Roman script) weekly has published a gist which is worse than the

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed; Church Thinker

2013-07-28 Thread Santosh Helekar
George, The problem I have with some of this so-called research about Goan history, whether it is church-related or otherwise, is that it is merely the expression of somebody's subjective opinion pulled out of thin air and dripping with either left-wing or right-wing ideology. There is no

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed; Church Thinker

2013-07-27 Thread George Pinto
It is useful to study history if it can instruct us about the present, towards a better society. But I can't help but notice the high attention to Church history by Goan academics which serves three adverse purposes: 1. Prop up a male dominated institution, mostly European institutions and

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed; Church Thinker

2013-07-26 Thread Bernado Colaco
Thanks for the sermao. Why don't you tell this to parrikar and the bjp zealots who along with seshikala have been hounding Goan Catholics for the past 52 years. BC Hope this information is adequate and may be we should put a stop to this subject ?There were no Hindus in Goa before

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church Thinker

2013-07-25 Thread Jose Colaco
On Jul 24, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: IMHO former and / or married catholic priests (Goan or European) would do a por favor by not presenting themselves as !authoritative on Catholicism. Their religious and other views on the Catholic Church, however

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed; Church Thinker

2013-07-25 Thread stephen dias
In Goanet Issue 489 one gentleman by name Gilbert Lawrence replied to me in response to one Eugenio Correia who wanted to know about “ simple scholar meaning “ This debate is going on nearly two weeks or so, with different writers; My answer was: Some would say that no scholar can be called

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church Thinker

2013-07-24 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Stephen Dias wrote: This is in response to one called Eugenio Correia this is an answer for him: Some would say that no scholar can be called simple in his or her own field. But I think every scholar with a passion is simple in the sense that they don't see how others can misinterpret and twist

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed : Church Thinker

2013-07-23 Thread stephen dias
This is in response to one called Eugenio Correia on Geonet Issue 486; this is an answer for him Some would say that no scholar can be called simple in his or her own field. But I think every scholar with a passion is simple in the sense that they don't see how others can misinterpret and twist

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-18 Thread U. G. Barad
Diana, you and Edwin are most welcome to meet me in Margao even otherwise. So, Diana that was your philosophy behind using 'that line' as a phrase amounting to analogy! Now let me write few lines on 'Analogy.' Although 'analogies' are one of the most prolific communication tools in the

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-17 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: I have always considered History as a subject of gossip mixed with confabulations, with very little facts; and still consider so. --- Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão, Thanks for clarifying

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-16 Thread Mervyn Lobo
augusto pinto wrote: What makes you think that the Rev. Dr Victor Ferrao's objective of the above is to turn everything upside down? Augusto, You do not have the slightest idea of the history of Goa.  If you have been in touch with recent scholarship of Goan history you will find that

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-16 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
U. G. Barad dr.udaybarad at gmail.com on Mon Jul 15 07:59:22 PDT 2013 wrote: Dr. Ferdinando, first, please read about 'Hindu and Hinduism' before venturing in posing historical questions and that too when you admit that you are 'nonreader in history'! ….. Tim de Mello timdemello2 at

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-16 Thread U. G. Barad
Diana, I'm resubmitting you your original line which you had used earlier. The line used by you was: '...we are framing our doctors' pictures and prescriptions on the wall, but are we really swallowing the doctors medicine?' Your explanation, appended herein below under caption 'YOUR RECENT

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-15 Thread augusto pinto
Dear Santosh, I notice that you have abandoned your usual knee jerk reaction of asking for evidence when confronted with something you are uncomfortable with. Instead, you choose to question the motives of Rev. Dr. Victor Ferrao. I think that recent scholarship of history proves that the

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-15 Thread augusto pinto
Mervyn Lobo wrote in response to Mayabhushan: Mayabhushan wrote: Fr. Victor Ferrao, a dean at the state?s most renowned Rachol Roman Catholic seminary, which trains and grooms budding priests has also said in his research paper that the scores of temples demolished by the Portuguese

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-15 Thread Tim de Mello
I’ve always been non-reader in history and still am . . . Then I suggest that you start reading, Doctor! Tim de Mello From: drferdina...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 23:15:19 +0530 Subject: [Goanet] There were no Hindus

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-15 Thread Santosh Helekar
Dear Augusto, As usual, you have missed the point. It is clear from my post that I am not sure what Fr. Rev. Dr. Prof. Ferrao's motives are. He makes one of his motives clear in his statements, but not the other. It would be obvious to most people other than you why I did not ask him to

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-15 Thread U. G. Barad
Dr. Ferdinando, first, please read about 'Hindu and Hinduism' before venturing in posing historical questions and that too when you admit that you are 'nonreader in history'! Secondly, you must make up your mind as to whether you profess church thinker(s) philosophy or that of self-acclaimed,

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-14 Thread U. G. Barad
Its unwarranted attempt of church thinkers to rewrite history and to provide softest possible cover to atrocities created by churches in the past (immediately after Portuguese landed in Goa) against Hindus in Goa! They might even extend their logic little further and say, 'since there were no

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-14 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Mayabhushan wrote: Fr. Victor Ferrao, a dean at the state’s most renowned Rachol Roman Catholic seminary, which trains and grooms budding priests has also said in his research paper that the scores of temples demolished by the Portuguese colonists from 15th century onwards were not Hindu

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-14 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
Can some luminary in the field of history or histrionics in this forum enlighten me on these doubts I have? I’ve always been nonreader in history and still am, and would appreciate if some light is thrown on these doubts. 1 – Was Adil Shah a Hindu? Was he ruling Goa when Portuguese conquered

[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-13 Thread Gabe Menezes
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[Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-13 Thread Mayabhushan
* http://www.firstpost.com/india/there-were-no-hindus-in-goa-before-portuguese-landed-church-thinker-953727.html * *There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker * *By Mayabhushan Nagvenkar* *Panaji:* In BJP-ruled Goa, a leading Christian theologist from the influential

Re: [Goanet] There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

2013-07-13 Thread Santosh Helekar
I am not sure whether the purpose of this attempt at historical revisionism is purely political in order to counteract against the Hindu zealots or it is some new form of religious or colonial apologism concocted by the latest breed of theologians. Cheers, Santosh - Original Message