Amidst the barrage of posts about people dying and churches burning, it is hard
to tell the grain from the chaff. To make matters worse, true to form,
sectarian impulses overpower any semblance of objectivity in the press or in
internet forums. In all the propaganda and counter-propaganda effor
Santosh Helekar wrote:
In all the propaganda and counter-propaganda efforts being
undertaken on behalf of various interests, it is hard to find a rational
assessment of any instance of religious strife.
Comment:
I would be interested in knowing whether Santosh considers reports in the
mainstream
On Tue, 9/16/08, Carvalho wrote:
I'm sorry your post is ill-timed. This is not what I would have expected from
you.
Santosh replied:
Sorry Selma, I disagree. This is a time, more so than any other, for
level-headed rational thinking. Mindless frenzy and blame-game based on
partisan propaganda i
Santosh wrote:
It is important to remember that partisan frenzy and propaganda, whether it is
published in Times of India or Goanet, can add more fuel to the fire of
communal discord.
Comment:
I have asked Santosh in my previous mail to point out what information
constituted propaganda and what
Santosh wrote:
It is unclear why this guy is continuing his fight with me,
Comment:
Sorry, I have no fight to pick with you. But as one who has been posting on
various matters with a somewhat sense of balance and objectivity, your response
to the carnage in Orissa was baffling and a big letdown.
The comments against Dr Santosh Helekar are extremely unfair and
disappointing. I can understand their pain and anguish but Selma and
Marshall must stop behaving in such a childish and whimsical manner.
Just because they are wailing and lamenting more, they should not
presume to believe that others
Sandeep Heble wrote:
The comments against Dr Santosh Helekar are extremely unfair and
disappointing. I can understand their pain and anguish but Selma and
Marshall must stop behaving in such a childish and whimsical manner.
Just because they are wailing and lamenting more, they should not
presume t
Marshall Mendonca wrote: "Sorry Sandeep you have got the plot all
horribly wrong. I am not a professional mourner. Nor do I have any axe
to grind with Santosh. I respect his views. And that is precisely why
I felt hurt and let down with his response to the Orissa carnage. He
has tried to belittle a
Dear Selma,
In your earlier post, you had a few queries. I shall try to reply to these.
>> For the record, please show me a statement where I have derided Santosh.
When Santosh posted his opinions on the Orissa riots, you replied
saying that this was not the time for lectures and rationalization
Dear Marshall, Selma, Santosh,
Through this post, I hope this needless bickering comes to an end.
I am at this moment reminded of the words of Sharukh Khan to Kajol, in
one of my favourite Bollywood Flicks 'Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge':
"Bade Bade Deshon mein aisi choti choti batein hoti raheti
J. Colaco wrote:
There is NO question in my mind that conniving Politicians are using
naive Brain-washed bigots to help them (the politicians) win Power.
I submit that this violence is NOT about religion. This is about
political and eventually financial control.
Comment:
You have hit the nail on th
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:53:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
What becomes clear to me on Goanet everyday more and more is that we cannot
help but see life through the prisms of our own community's lenses. And that
ultimately is what is most "childish and whimsical" as you put
Santosh,
While I was reading your post I could literally feel my own skin searing a
little. It was just an incredulous post coming from a man of your stature and
standing. This is not the time to offer lectures and rationalizations. It is
the time to offer unconditional reassurances to the Chri
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry your post is ill-timed. This is not what I
> would have expected from you.
>
Sorry Selma, I disagree. This is a time, more so than any other, for
level-headed rational thinking. Mindless frenzy and blame-game based on
parti
You're probably right Santosh. Perhaps I am being a bit emotional here.
take care,
selma
--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Why we hate!
> To: "Goa's premier
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We all need to remember that if we are complacent today, it
> may be our turn tomorrow.
>
It is important to remember that partisan frenzy and propaganda, whether it is
published in Times of India or Goanet, can add more fuel
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>If only he were to come down from his perch in the ivory tower and >empathise
>with the victims, he would know where the truth lay.
>
Why is this guy now going after me instead of focusing on those who are
responsible for the
rs, and all of whom were
blameless.
Ingrid, reminds me of the police inspector who upon finding a rape victim,
insist that they should have behaved themselves.
selma
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
--- On Sat, 9/20/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have asked Santosh in my previous mail to point out what
> information constituted propaganda and what was not. He is
> yet to respond. Yet very unscientifically he goes on to
> brand the information as propaganda and partisan
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ingrid, reminds me of the police inspector who upon finding
> a rape victim, insist that they should have behaved
> themselves.
>
Hi Selma,
I am unable to judge your critique of Ingrid's perspective. Unfortunately, I
don't think she
--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Sandeep Heble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The comments against Dr Santosh Helekar are extremely unfair
> and
> disappointing. I can understand their pain and anguish but
> Selma and
> Marshall must stop behaving in such a childish and
> whimsical manner.
-
--- On Sat, 9/20/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>But as one who has been posting on various matters with a somewhat sense >of
>balance and objectivity, your response to the carnage in Orissa was >baffling
>and a big letdown. If you read your own posts again with a clear >mind,
--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For the record, please show me a statement where I have
> derided Santosh. I have always held him in the highest
> regard and infact that is what I have stated, given his
> stature and standing in the community, his post is baffling.
> T
--- On Sun, 9/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>He has tried to belittle and play down the violence in Orissa against the
>>Christian community which has been by far the worst in India in living
>>memory without condemning the violence.
>
Marshall Mendonza has now descended
Sandeep Heble wrote: I can understand their (Selma's and Marshall's)
pain and anguish but ... they should not PRESUME to BELIEVE
that others lack the sympathy and the empathy that they have for the
unfortunate victims and their families.
==
jc's comment:
I have thus far refrained from com
Sandeep Heble wrote:
> The comments against Dr Santosh Helekar are extremely unfair and
> disappointing. I can understand their pain and anguish but Selma and
> Marshall must stop behaving in such a childish and whimsical manner.
> Just because they are wailing and lamenting more, they should not
>
--- On Sun, 9/21/08, J. Colaco < jc> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is also important that Christians protest ALL forms of
> violence - not selectively that which is committed against their own
> interests.
>
> It is also important for ALL reasonable minded people to
> recognise that danger no
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