Re: RE: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-16 Thread Dennis
Thanks for the tips, Brandon! A quick question: those "scratchpad" datastores are python dicts, right? We need to be aware that the dicts are not coordinated across instances so they may have stale data (which might be ok depending on the app). Just want to make sure I understand your sugges

Re: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-15 Thread Tim
On Saturday, May 14, 2011 8:54:54 PM UTC+1, Robert Kluin wrote: > > If the data doesn't get updated, using the blobstore might be a good > idea. As I recall, you can't update a blob. So if the data changes > it may not be the best idea. Of course, it really all depends on the > app / usage.

Re: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-14 Thread Robert Kluin
If the data doesn't get updated, using the blobstore might be a good idea. As I recall, you can't update a blob. So if the data changes it may not be the best idea. Of course, it really all depends on the app / usage. I store serialized dicts / lists in text / blob properties quite often. It w

RE: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-14 Thread Brandon Wirtz
.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 1:42 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing I suspected that might be the case, but if I have a few minutes to spa

Re: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-14 Thread Tim
I suspected that might be the case, but if I have a few minutes to spare sometime I might try it out. My startup and servicing costs is pretty minimal - I've got a one-page-webapp and most of my calls are just AJAX calls to load and update data, so it's typically just object to JSON and back ag

Re: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread Robert Kluin
Hey Tim, That will (probably) just stop your module being cached, making it respond more slowly to requests, increasing the number of instances needed to service concurrent requests. I think you're still better off to try to make instance startup and request servicing as efficient as possible.

RE: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread Brandon Wirtz
App Engine Subject: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing @Brandon Wirtz All this can't be explained by you upgrading to 1.5 as @Stephen writes. @Vinuth Madinur +1 for all your points especially minimum granularity. ;-) Nick Milon On May 13, 4:28 pm, Tim wro

[google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread nickmilon
@Brandon Wirtz All this can't be explained by you upgrading to 1.5 as @Stephen writes. @Vinuth Madinur +1 for all your points especially minimum granularity. ;-) Nick Milon On May 13, 4:28 pm, Tim wrote: > Currently all my python scripts use the script-or-module mechanism as > recommended by t

[google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread Tim
Currently all my python scripts use the script-or-module mechanism as recommended by the docs application = webapp.WSGIApplication([('/somepage', SomeHandler), ('/anotherpage', AnotherHandler)], debug=True) # GAE will look for a main() with no args and, if found, caches this script # so we sup

[google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread JH
No doubt when I moved to HR my instances basically quit dying. With M/ S an idle instance would be killed off quickly, with HR they hang around for days. At the time I was very happy about this. This was a complaint in the past (how fast Google killed idle instances.) But now I think the reverse

[google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread Greg
I'm not seeing any significant reduction in instances either. I did notice that I got a lot more idle instances when I moved from MS to HR datastore, for some reason - maybe they are starting to rationalise this and haven't got to my instances yet. Cheers Greg. -- You received this message becau

Re: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread Vinuth Madinur
And it would be great to have different pricing for idle instance hours vs active instance hours. Because my app is letting other apps execute, while blocking a little memory. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Vinuth Madinur wrote: > Plus: > > 1. 15 minutes minimum granularity. > 2. Tiered Instan

Re: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-13 Thread Vinuth Madinur
Plus: 1. 15 minutes minimum granularity. 2. Tiered Instance pricing. My app consumes about 40 -80 MB, but I'll be paying for 128 MB 0r 256 MB minimum. 3. It's not like they can't meter these or aren't metering these. They already have the numbers. But they wont price things based on it, which suck

RE: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-12 Thread Brandon Wirtz
@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JH Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:55 PM To: Google App Engine Subject: [google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing Interesting, I saw no change to my # of instances with 1.5 On May 12, 9:29 pm, "Br

[google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-12 Thread Raymond C.
But still 6 instances for 13 QPS (2.22 x 6) sounds stupid to me if the pricing will be instance based. A single regular class VPS can handle at least like 30+ QPS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, se

[google-appengine] Re: 1.5 improvements Make me less scared of Pricing

2011-05-12 Thread JH
Interesting, I saw no change to my # of instances with 1.5 On May 12, 9:29 pm, "Brandon Wirtz" wrote: > I am slow to upgrade because I like to know that things won't explode, but > this graph shows how 1.5 reduced the number of instances I need compared to > 1.4 (maybe 1.3) that I was running.  U