[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-18 Thread Jason Collins
I'll keep looking, but it's weird because that app was consistently within 1 penny day-to-day before, and its consistently within 1 penny day-to-day now - it's just exactly double the overall cost... j On Oct 18, 2:46 pm, Alfred Fuller wrote: > There is no difference between M/S and HRD with reg

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-19 Thread Jason Collins
I believe the tool is still in Trusted Tester phase. j On Oct 18, 6:01 pm, Will wrote: > Jason, > > Where is the automatic migration tool? I looked all places but > couldn't find it. Is it the "Copy to Another App" button on the > "Datastore Admin" page? > > Thanks, > > Will > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-21 Thread Jason Collins
This is making me crazy. I just cannot find the difference in the apps (M-S vs HRD). The traffic patterns appear to be the same. The total number of entities is very similar. When I migrated from M-S to HRD: - Using the current billing, the app went from $0.00 / day to $1.19 / day. - Using futu

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-21 Thread Renzo Nuccitelli
I didn´t know it was just to testers. I have sent the mail when they offer it to test and I have migrated my app to HRD too. Great tool. Only blobs from blostore were not migrated, but i could move around this problem. On 19 out, 15:54, Jason Collins wrote: > I believe the tool is still in Trus

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-21 Thread Jason Collins
My datastore writes comparison (0.72M/day to 1.45M/day) is using data all from the "new pricing" portion. Somehow, my datastore writes doubled precisely on the day that I migrated to HRD. My new pricing costs correspondingly doubled from $0.67 to $1.40. While there may be no difference in the num

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-25 Thread Jason Collins
The old app is disabled. It's tough to compare the load because the dashboard is long since emptied on the old app. However, the number of Front-end Instance Hours is effectively the same between old app and new app: around 24 instance-hours. So we have: - migration via automated migration tool

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-25 Thread Jason Collins
I agree Jeff, it really seems this way. Via the console, I don't see any difference in the indexes, however, I'm not sure what's going on under the hood. I'm hoping that someone at Google can look for me? I imagine I can use the cost on the RPCs (a la https://gist.github.com/715284) to see if the

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-28 Thread Max Ross (Google)
Jason, You said that you deployed the same code to the HRD instance of your app that was running on the Master/Slave instance. Is there any part of your application that might behave differently in the face of HRD's slightly different read consistency guarantees? Are you ever writing data and t

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-28 Thread Max Ross (Google)
Different theory: It looks like your cron jobs are still running in your old app. Could you please try redeploying an empty cron config for your old app and let me know when you've done that? Thanks, Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-28 Thread Jason Collins
The old app is disabled. Would the crons still be running? On Oct 28, 1:29 am, "Max Ross (Google)" wrote: > Different theory: > > It looks like your cron jobs are still running in your old app. Could you > please try redeploying an empty cron config for your old app and let me > know when you've

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-28 Thread Jason Collins
Wow. So it _does_ look like the old crons were running even though the application was DISABLED. This will likely bite other users of the automated migration tool. You might want to address this. Note that Ikai suggested this long ago, and I just assumed that a disabled app would not be running cro

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-28 Thread Max Ross (Google)
Cron jobs should not be running on a disabled app. We'll fix it. Please do let us know if your datastore writes return to their original levels. Thanks, Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the w

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-11-01 Thread Jason Collins
Thanks all. The billing has come through now, and everything has dropped right back to its original levels. j On Oct 28, 9:20 am, "Max Ross (Google)" wrote: > Cron jobs should not be running on a disabled app. We'll fix it. > > Please do let us know if your datastore writes return to their origin

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-11-01 Thread Max Ross (Google)
That's great to hear, thanks for being so patient with us while we sorted this out. Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/e9vpwXrIX

[google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-12-16 Thread Jason Collins
I see that I never responded to Max here. Yes, once my old crons were disabled, everything returned to normal. Thanks, j On Oct 28, 10:20 am, "Max Ross (Google)" wrote: > Cron jobs should not be running on a disabled app. We'll fix it. > > Please do let us know if your datastore writes return t

Re: [google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-21 Thread Alfred Fuller
Wait, are you comparing the old pricing model or the new pricing model (since you attributed the cost to writes I just assumed you were talking about the new pricing model)? In the old pricing model HRD writes cost more (~3x). On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Jason Collins wrote: > This is making

Re: [google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-21 Thread Simon Knott
He seems to be comparing the number of writes: - Datastore writes went from 0.72M / day to 1.45M / day > This is the new model isn't it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://g

Re: [google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-24 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Long shot ... any chance your old app is still running? If so, could task queues/cron jobs on the old app might be hitting the new app and causing an increase in writes? Of course ... you would see additional load if this were the case. This would be much easier to solve if we knew which handlers

Re: [google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-25 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
I really have to wonder if somehow you've added extra indexes during the migration. That could easily cause this doubling. In the absence of any business logic changes, this is what I would focus my investigation on first. Jeff On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Jason Collins wrote: > The old ap

Re: [google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-25 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Keep in mind that the console only shows you multi-property indexes defined in yaml/xml. It doesn't show single-property indexes, which can be configured on an entity-by-entity basis. Jeff On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jason Collins wrote: > I agree Jeff, it really seems this way. > > Via th

Re: [google-appengine] Re: HRD uses more datastore writes?

2011-10-28 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Thanks for getting to the bottom of this, Jason. You're right: the cron jobs should not run on a disabled app. We'll fix this. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com | twitter.com/ikai On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jason Collins wrote: > Wow. So it _does