Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-20 Thread Freddie Unpenstein
Especially since glade is pushing the use of libglade as THE way to incorporate glade-produced layouts into applications, libglade should be packaged so as to encourage just that. Not make it hard for application developers to figure out how to use it. In any case, this is more an issue

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-17 Thread Gerald I. Evenden
On Friday 16 February 2007 11:17 pm, Michael Torrie wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 22:13 -0500, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: I believe that much of the above and following issues are reasonably well resolved but there are serious problems with the adequacy of some sections (glib) but I will

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-17 Thread Olivier Ramare
Dear all, I've learned how to use gtk by reading this documentation, and other ressources found on the fly on the web; I've found is extremely useful and well done, especially for a growing project. I am no C-guru, not even a computer scientist, and my training is programming is twenty years

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-17 Thread Gerald I. Evenden
On Saturday 17 February 2007 12:16 pm, you wrote: Gerald I. Evenden wrote on 02/17/2007 05:49 PM: On line 72 in module main there is a reference to function g_signal_connect. I cannot find any reference to this entry in the index Have you tried typing g_signal_connect

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-17 Thread Gerald I. Evenden
On Saturday 17 February 2007 12:38 pm, Michael Torrie wrote: ... My comments about information access is addressed on another email. The example works just as it is supposed to. I get a pulsing progress bar which, on my GTK theme, is a small blue rectangle that moves back and forth

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-17 Thread Michael Torrie
On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 13:18 -0500, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: LOL I give up! I throw in the towel. Sorry to hear that. I believe that you could have found GTK programming very rewarding. Note that I did not say libglade because I think you had difficulties because you focused on libglade and

Re: libglade frustration redux - back away from the keyboard

2007-02-17 Thread James Scott Jr
Geraldi, I take notice of the following comment. I give up! I throw in the towel. This is certainly your option, but I will tell you that your experience with libglade is typical for persons who approach programming the wrong way. Let me suggest an alternative that WILL yield different and

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-16 Thread Claudio Saavedra
Quoting Tristan Van Berkom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The question here, is why dont users go and consult the tarball, if only to see if the maintainer included a Documentation directory (you'll find that one usefull in the linux kernel tarball for example), if only to read the README, if only to

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-16 Thread Michael Torrie
On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 22:13 -0500, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: I believe that much of the above and following issues are reasonably well resolved but there are serious problems with the adequacy of some sections (glib) but I will address these to a specific issue on a subsequent email I'm not

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-15 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 14:44 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The users manual should be provided with every copy of a packaged distribution. The user's manual should provide sufficient instruction on how to operate libglade. If a developer finds himself needing to refer to the source to

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-15 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 05:55 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] You took it back to the point. I think metaphors don't help much here. The question is whether usage examples belong to the documentation or not. As we see, this question is debatable. Personally, I'd side clearly with the yes

libglade frustration redux

2007-02-15 Thread Gerald I. Evenden
A the originator of this thread I will rephrase my problems and make a larger scale complaint. 1. My original complaint was compile/linking glade output. Thanks to M. Torrie this problem was nicely solved and I can compile/link several examples from various sources. 2. A side thread

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-15 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 13:46 -0500, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: [...] I would love to be proved wrong about libglade documentation so please flame me if I am and point out my sins. Even though I am now able to compile/link libglade code I find that I am now stymied by lack of documentation on

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-15 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 13:46 -0500, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: A the originator of this thread I will rephrase my problems and make a larger scale complaint. 1. My original complaint was compile/linking glade output. Thanks to M. Torrie this problem was nicely solved and I can compile/link

Re: libglade frustration redux

2007-02-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Gerald I. Evenden wrote: 2. A side thread suggested that in order to understand the usage of a system like libglade one should study the source. I think that's pretty standard practice where any open source library/development system is concerned. Having full reference documentation,

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-14 Thread Yeti
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:32:19PM -0800, Rick Jones wrote: I'm not really interested in how library call foo is implemented, I just want to know how to call it do get my work done. So you want to know how to use it and you intentionally avoid one of the most efficient ways to learn it.

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-14 Thread Jim George
So you want to know how to use it and you intentionally avoid one of the most efficient ways to learn it. Well, if it works for you... What is so inefficient about taking an example (that already exists) and including it in the HTML/online documentation that more people read than source code

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-14 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 12:56 -0300, Claudio Saavedra wrote: If at least the guy complaining would have given more information about the problems he had, we could have directed him in the right direction, which would've been much more productive than this where do we put examples for the lazy

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-14 Thread Yeti
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:28:23PM -0800, Rick Jones wrote: Well, I didn't go tearing-down the engine and transmission in my car, but I still learned how to drive it :) If your have no idea why the car does what it does when you turn the steering wheel or change gear, I just hope you live in

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-14 Thread wallace . owen
I just love this car analogy! CARS The technical service manual is available for those that need to service the car. It doesn't come with the assembled car. Maybe it comes with the car if you buy it in kit form. Your repair mechanic needs to refer to it, but if the car's well-made, the user

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-14 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 12:00:37AM +0100, David Nečas (Yeti) wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:44:21PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] libglade developers do not produce any binary packages. Their product does come with examples.

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-13 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 16:06 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 14:58 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: I've attached one that compiles thusly: gcc -o gladetest gladetest.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0 libglade-2.0` The attachment doesn't seem to have made it

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-13 Thread Michael Torrie
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 09:47 -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: The testlibglade program that comes with libglade is about 100 lines of code + some helpfull comments about using the library and about how the library works. I hope that this source file in the libglade tarball was easy to find.

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-13 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:28 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 09:47 -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: The testlibglade program that comes with libglade is about 100 lines of code + some helpfull comments about using the library and about how the library works. I hope

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-13 Thread Michael Torrie
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 14:16 -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: PS: This is not a personal thing, countless hordes have come in search of a libglade example without ever consulting the tarball, its just getting a little frustrating by now - but what can we do to improve the situation ? I was

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-13 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:53 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: [...] One thing that might help here is to have a compiled executable that demonstrates libglade be installed as part of the normal compilation process. This would then be picked up by the packagers and installed as part of the -devel

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-13 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 14:03 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 15:12 -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: Somehow I think that downloading the actual tarball from wherever the website of a said software said to go download it from is much more obvious a place then in a -devel

Re: libglade frustration

2007-02-13 Thread Yeti
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 02:03:29PM -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: In any event, if a user wants to develop with libglade, he'd need to install the rpms or debs or whatever. Most users aren't going to be using the raw tarballs. Install it and use it are two very different things. Sure, one