* P [2019-10-12 20:38]:
You have been quoting from Andy Wingo blog:
> The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF
> and GNU projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly
> alienating to women.
GNU project is apolitical. RMS never established any
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-12 20:25]:
> Change a language's rules to fit your politics because you feel the normal
> language is offensive,is actually extreme.
>
> All the best
Alright, that is your opinion.
Related to GNU project and welcoming of everybody, and always
appreciating and
* P [2019-10-12 20:03]:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:53 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back
> > with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on
> >
* P [2019-10-12 20:00]:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:46 PM, Wilson Bustos
> wrote:
>
> > Don't you think that is extreme?
>
> I do not. What's extreme is that you feel like such a tiny thing is extreme.
> Quit your whining or find a new hobby.
I do
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-12 19:47]:
> P,
> The problem is when that politics gets extreme.
> For example at the point to change the rules of a human language just for
> politics reason.
>
> The guixSD Spanish manual for example says : 'la usuaria' to refer to every
> user
I understand that
* P [2019-10-12 19:38]:
> If women should be welcome in tech is a step too far for you, then
> you are too whiny to be useful in tech.
Every women is welcome in free software and any activity in life if
you ask me.
I never stated different and never will.
In fact I do not observe the sex of
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-12 19:13]:
>Hasn't RMS already officially stepped down?
>
> He resigned from the FSF board, he is still Chief GNUisance.
That means nothing in terms of legality and policy making. Stepping
down as President of FSF means really only that FSF has different way
of
* František Kučera [2019-10-12 19:13]:
> Dne 12. 10. 19 v 15:38 pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) napsal(a):
> > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> >> Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo and other people who are introducing
> >> their p
* Eric Myhre [2019-10-12 18:10]:
> Can you just... Stop?
I am hurring to stop as soon as Guix people take politics out of GNU
project from guix.gnu.org domain.
Jean
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-12 17:45]:
> Why should GuixSD feminist?
> Free software movement is no about popularity, is about freedom.
Because Ludovic Courtès said to me so, when I asked him, that reason
for defamation of RMS is their abort() joke and Emacs Virgin jokes,
including the "MIT
* Christophe Poncy [2019-10-11 23:10]:
> On 2019-10-11 20:41, Taylan Kammer wrote:
> > […] What position does he
> > hold within today's GNU project other than being a wise old person
> > (wise with respect to his topics of expertise) who is respected a lot?
> >
>
> As a simple user, I see him
] and engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]
OK fine, now I get it, that is exactly what GNU project is not for!
GNU project is for everybody, it is not a platform to be abused by
feminists or any kind of political activists!
> p.s2: A social network text message proof of nothing.
Exactly!
Jean Louis
P.S. Please don't make abort() jokes or you are not welcome in Guix.
* pelzflorian [2019-10-12 15:38]:
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> > Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo and other people who are introducing
> > their pro-feminist political views into the apolitical GNU project
> > are mixing the in
critical of homosexuality within the project's
> communication channels, as it offends her or him. On the flip side,
> a religious person could request another member to refrain from
> expressing political views in support of normalizing homosexuality
> within society, because that in turn offend
Dear P,
See my comments below.
* P [2019-10-10 22:33]:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:22 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If you
> > > don't mind, I'll forward your
eally proponent, he is programmer, but that is
not same. He is rather opportunist pushing himself and his own goals
forward. One cannot expect more but what he does now.
Jean Louis
those pro-feminist group of GNU maintainers have tried to make
GNU project political.
Jean Louis
Footnotes:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime
ists, and contra-feminists, but for as
long as the GNU project is not abused to spread out their propaganda.
And nobody is preventing them to publish their opinions outside of GNU
project. If they have balls for that.
Jean Louis
Dear Ludovic,
Hello, how are you? I was on long travel, could not answer you earlier.
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-10 16:29]:
> Hi Jean-Louis,
>
> Jean Louis skribis:
>
> > * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
> >> I have previously asked you privately to stop spam
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-12 11:36]:
> David wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 21:11:51 +0300 Dmitry
> > Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You replied privately, offlist. Was it intentional? If yes, why: I see
> >> nothing secret there?
> >
> > Absolutely yes,
* Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system
[2019-10-12 03:28]:
> On 10/11/2019 04:43 PM, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 10/11/19 11:16 PM, Kete via Discussions about the development of the
> > GNU system wrote:
> >> On 1
* Svante Signell [2019-10-10 22:23]:
> On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 19:22 +0000, Jean Louis wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If
> > > you don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which
>
* Mancini [2019-10-11 17:31]:
> ---> "RMS" : ?? if you are going to use acronyms unknown to
> many in the audience, footnote them ! + "FUD"
You are right, yes, all text shall be clear.
For FUD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt
On October 10, 2019 8:29:06 PM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jean Louis wrote:
>> How are you?
>
>Ehm... Fine. What is the occasion to ask?
We are then from different cultures simply. At my side it is always used
similarly as hand shaking.
&
-own-domain-GNU-org.html
On October 10, 2019 8:23:11 PM UTC, Svante Signell
wrote:
>On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 19:22 +0000, Jean Louis wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If
>> > you don't mind, I'll forward your
hey have enough respect for GNU
>and RMS heritage not to follow you strong advice.
They have no respect for RMS.
Jean Louis
It is not harmful if Guix remains free software, how it can be?
It is only harmful for Guix.
It was not my decision, it is theirs.
On October 10, 2019 11:39:42 AM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jean Louis wrote:
>> * Alexander Vdolainen [2
concerns to them privately and on chat before sending it to
mailing list. Would they provide facts, I would refrain.
Obviously the thought police is afraid and must silence defenders of RMS and
his works.
So why is it problem to address the same on the Guix making list?
Is it maybe double standa
. Just have balls, as RMS has got the balls, endure it and
be happy.
Wish you good night,
Jean Louis
On October 10, 2019 2:29:08 PM UTC, "Ludovic Courtès" wrote:
>Hi Jean-Louis,
>
>Jean Louis skribis:
>
>> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
>>> I have p
* Hartmut Goebel [2019-10-10 10:43]:
> Am 10.10.19 um 05:57 schrieb Jean Louis:
> > Ludo, please step down from GNU project […]
> >
> > Obviously, there are people who don't trust you.
>
> No reasons for any of the signers to step back. There are always some
&g
* Hartmut Goebel [2019-10-10 10:26]:
> Am 10.10.19 um 06:30 schrieb Jean Louis:
> > They want take over, obviously, so they said.
> […]
> > They are indirectly asking for money. GNU project is about money,
>
> Both of these are allegation missing any backing.
; by stating things in a blog nobody could ever respond to.
Thank you for support to GNU and RMS now when he needs it so
much. Hundreds and hundreds of people are already expressing their
support on various social media channels, even YouTube (beware
proprietary Javascript), various forums and GNU/L
* Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing
> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting
> our mailing lists your posts will be moderated.
I cannot expect anything else from you.
Jean
* František Kučera [2019-10-09 18:11]:
> Dne 09. 10. 19 v 23:41 Wilson Bustos napsal(a):
> > Seems they don't want to reply, probably because they don't have argument.
> > Also, the project signs without as anyone to do it, they just did it.
> > There is not a vote to say 'The project is agree
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-09 17:41]:
> Jean Luis,
> Seems they don't want to reply, probably because they don't have argument.
> Also, the project signs without as anyone to do it, they just did it.
> There is not a vote to say 'The project is agree with this issue'.
>
> At least everyone now
* František Kučera [2019-10-09 16:39]:
> Dne 09. 10. 19 v 19:06 P napsal(a):
> > Stop spamming the list. Thanks.
> >
> If you did not want to start this discussion, you should not have posted
> that statement on the official Guix blog. You could expect what it would do.
>
> Franta
Exactly,
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-09 17:53]:
> I think even more important,
> When I read that statement I thought every Guix collaborator is in favor of
> that statement,
> or at least a major number of them.
>
> But I get surprise to not find any mail to ask to anyone about this,
> There is not a vote.
* Svante Signell [2019-10-09 13:18]:
> Dear Guix, and other people signing that statement.
> cc: RMS
>
> I do also have problems with your campaign against RMS. Publishing such
> a statement as a blog entry for Guix is very inappropriate. Especially
> in the context of the recent defaming
* Andy Wingo [2019-10-09 11:49]:
> For what it is worth, I have some personal answers to some of these
> questions here:
>
> https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu
I am appreciating that you are publishing your opinions beyond the
GUIX.GNU.ORG and GNU.ORG domains.
* zimoun [2019-10-08 16:19]:
> Hi,
>
> First, just to give numbers about what means 18 GNU maintainers. Here
> [1] is the list of the GNU packages. I let you count but I guess the
> list is more than 300 packages. Therefore, one can guess that the GNU
> maintainers are more than 300.
> Well,
* P [2019-10-08 13:30]:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 4:38 PM, Dimakakos Dimos
> wrote:
>
> > Do we have evidence that rms has caused harm to GNU's projects?
>
> in short: yes.
>
> lots of people have talked about this, but here is one thread I've seen
>
* Dimakakos Dimos [2019-10-08 12:38]:
> On the subject, I think that the discussion of rms's position in GNU is
> valid but that at the same time such an announcment should be made after
> a careful consideration and research.
There was no public discussion. I am not against their opinion, and
* Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-08 07:17]:
>
> Pierre Neidhardt writes:
>
> > Ludovic Courtès writes:
> >
> >> Unfortunately GNU maintainers have having this discussion on private
> >> mailing lists.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Private GNU mailing lists have existed for years. They are currently
> being
* Pierre Neidhardt [2019-10-08 04:48]:
> Ludovic Courtès writes:
>
> > Unfortunately GNU maintainers have having this discussion on private
> > mailing lists.
>
> Why?
Because it is conspiracy that shall not be placed and given to public
discussion. The fact that RMS knows about their
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-08 04:34]:
> Hi Jesse,
>
> Jesse Gibbons skribis:
>
> > Is there an alternative list where we can have an in-depth discussion?
>
> Unfortunately GNU maintainers have having this discussion on private
> mailing lists.
Please do not speak of "GNU maintainers" mention
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-08 10:37]:
> The free software communities has to work with every person with
> every idea always in the community we work with respect with each
> other. I think IMHO, that everyone do to Stallman was malicious and
> is an attack to the free thinking and speech.
That
* Jan [2019-10-08 06:33]:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:19:28 +0200
> "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:59:41PM -0300, Wilson Bustos wrote:
> > > Which 'behavior' are you exactly talking about?
> >
> > Perhaps
> >
* pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) [2019-10-08 04:19]:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:59:41PM -0300, Wilson Bustos wrote:
> > Which 'behavior' are you exactly talking about?
>
> Perhaps
> https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88
>
> Thank you, GNU maintainers, for
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-07 22:00]:
> Just for curiosity, about this:
> "Yet, we must also acknowledge that Stallman’s behavior over the years has
> undermined a core value of the GNU project"
>
> Which 'behavior' are you exactly talking about?
> What is the reason of that statement?
> What you
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-07 17:41]:
> Hi František, and welcome,
>
> (I’m willing to answer questions like I wrote, but if we are to have a
> more in-depth conversation, I think we should not abuse guix-devel for
> that.)
Now is too late, you are the one who abused Guix, and you should step
* František Kučera [2019-10-07 17:14]:
> > Hello Guix!
> >
> > We, a group of GNU maintainers sharing a vision for a stronger GNU
> > Project, are publishing this statement today:
> >
> >https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
> >
> > We are somewhat abusing the
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-09 23:54]:
> I think even more important,
> When I read that statement I thought every Guix collaborator is in
> favor of that statement, or at least a major number of them.
And that is exactly what is not being spread on Internet.
I would like to ask those "GNU
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-09 23:42]:
> Jean Luis,
> Seems they don't want to reply, probably because they don't have
> argument. Also, the project signs without as anyone to do it, they
> just did it. There is not a vote to say 'The project is agree with
> this issue'.
>
> At least everyone
* Alexander Vdolainen [2019-10-09 23:13]:
> I'm nobody (yep, I'm using GNU Guile, GNU Emacs and GUIX and a lot
> of other GNU projects (make, gcc, binutils etc ...), but I'm not a
> great contributor yet). However those events are going to look like
> a decision point to move on from GNU
* Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-09 21:27]:
> Hi Jean Louis,
>
> please stop sending the same message to the Guix bug tracker and
> development mailing list. They are neither bug reports nor do they
> pertain to the development of Guix.
>
> For discussions about GNU please us
From:
Mr. Jean Louis
Nagpur, India
Day 3 of week 41 of 2019
Hello there,
I have seen your signature here:
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
My opinion on your signing of that defamatory, harassing, biased and
fact-less statement is here:
https://gnu.support
From:
Mr. Jean Louis
Nagpur, India
Day 3 of week 41 of 2019
Hello there,
I have seen your signature here:
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
My opinion on your signing of that defamatory, harassing, biased and
fact-less statement is here:
https://gnu.support
From:
Mr. Jean Louis
Nagpur, India
Day 3 of week 41 of 2019
Hello there,
I have seen your signature here:
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
My opinion on your signing of that defamatory, harassing, biased and
fact-less statement is here:
https://gnu.support
From:
Mr. Jean Louis
Nagpur, India
Day 3 of week 41 of 2019
Hello there,
I have seen your signature here:
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
My opinion on your signing of that defamatory, harassing, biased and
fact-less statement is here:
https://gnu.support
From:
Mr. Jean Louis
Nagpur, India
Day 3 of week 41 of 2019
Hello there,
I have seen your signature here:
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
My opinion on your signing of that defamatory, harassing, biased and
fact-less statement is here:
https://gnu.support
From:
Mr. Jean Louis
Nagpur, India
Day 3 of week 41 of 2019
Hello there,
I have seen your signature here:
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
My opinion on your signing of that defamatory, harassing, biased and
fact-less statement is here:
https://gnu.support
From:
Mr. Jean Louis
Nagpur, India
Day 3 of week 41 of 2019
Hello there,
I have seen your signature here:
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
My opinion on your signing of that defamatory, harassing, biased and
fact-less statement is here:
https://gnu.support
* Aaron Wolf [2019-10-08 18:46]:
> I don't see enough evidence to support even considering this
> interpretation of John Sullivan. The post included offensive language as
> well. It makes perfect sense for it to have been blocked. Accusations
> like this require far more evidence than this sort
On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 05:56:56AM -0500, bill-auger wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 02:46:30 -0500 Ineiev wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 11:52:04PM -0500, bill-auger wrote:
> > > the main, central FSDG concern: which programs are
> > > freely distributable and which are not
> >
> > I don't
Hello David,
Thank you much, that is a way to start implementing it on other
systems.
Jean Louis
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 06:11:19PM -0400, David Michael wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Jean Louis <g...@rcdrun.com> wrote:
> > I am searching for a sample shepherd /e
ut "/sources/..." in load-path but rather
as in the 0.3 version "/usr/share/guile/site/2.0".
Jean Louis
I have observed that package imagemagick, has license specified in the
definition as: FSF-free, even though I see on the website that they use
Apache 2.0 license.
It is better that correct license is specified in the package
definition.
Jean Louis
I was under impression that I did tell. I am yet learning Guile, and did
not go through all the functions from info guix. At this moment, I
cannot contribute in the manner like you or other people. But I can send
95% of the finished package definition.
freetalk, requires loudmouth.
Loudmouth
Sure, but existing files don't work, I asked for assistance on that. It
is not useful to add non-working package definitions, right?
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:17:38PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>
> Hi Jean Louis,
>
> > Regarding single line on the end, that is because I use
Hello Nils,
I was expecting you could test these 2 files and simply fix them. I will
of course study, but I cannot get it to work at this moment.
Regarding single line on the end, that is because I used:
guix build -f file.scm
to test it, as it has to evaluate to something. Regarding
ts or services which
are identical or similar to the products or services which the
registration covers. That applies.
These both cases applies to packages of Nintendo, and to the intended
package of MAME.
That is for your consideration. I am sharing my knowledge and experience
with you.
Jean Louis
Hello,
here are 2 packages: loudmouth as prerequisite for freetalk, the command
line jabber client.
My knowledge is not sufficient to make it work yet. If somebody can help
on correcting this and including freetalk with SSL/TLS in the GuixSD
Thanks
Jean Louis
;;; GNU Guix --- Functional package
running only proprietary
software:
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#Monkey.27s_Audio_Codec
and
https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?28332
Jean Louis
Hello Nils,
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 02:41:54PM +0200, Nils Gillmann wrote:
> If we drop it, there will be very likely inofficial repositories
> carrying it, like there are now for custom packaged non-free
> software. And those people will end up coming to our chat and
> lists, and we have to deal
ration of trademarks.
For sake of responsibility of what is distributed and understanding how
it can affect multiple people worldwide, it is better doing what I am
suggesting. Seek advice.
Jean Louis
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 03:14:32PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > For your understanding:
> &g
e
software to have 2 faces or to recommend to others non-free software.
For that reason that MAME gives incentive to majority of users to use
non-free software, it shall not be included in distribution.
Jean Louis
with well known trademarks, and claimed to be GPL
licensed
- software using trademarks within the source is also questionable.
My statements shall be verified by attorney, as I am only paralegal.
Jean Louis
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:58:26AM +0200, Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer wrote:
> For t
ty about that, that those platforms are being
developed for the major purpose of running non-free software. It does
not play alone. It is hypocrisy.
Jean Louis
eir
exceptional uses in the non-free world, without inclusion of Wine in
the free software distribution.
All written above are my opinion, and not legal advices.
Jean Louis
tware to run on free GNU
distribution, is not in alignment with "teach them to understand what it
means and to demand it".
I am demanding it now.
Jean Louis
Hello that is great Jochem.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 02:29:42PM +0100, Jochem Raat wrote:
> Hey Guix,
>
> Here is a patch to add Text::NeatTemplate.
>
> - Jochem
> From b7e37093af7cf30bb7a39b7ab57b57c0c293b7bb Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Jochem Raat
> Date: Wed, 16 Mar
Hello Danny,
This is great, and I hope it will be included in GuixSD.
Combination of ROX filer and file manager, can make very nice system,
without too big graphical environments.
On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:04:43AM +0100, Danny Milosavljevic wrote:
> Hello Louis,
>
> well, writing the package
te-keyword-arguments (package-arguments mutt)
((#:configure-flags cf)
`(cons "--enable-hcache" ,cf
(synopsis (string-append (package-synopsis mutt)
" (configured with --enable-hcache)"
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:21:09PM +0
Guix, and I am sending thousands of emails per day, by using
the above stuff. So per package €10 is alright for me. I
guess there is nothing wrong to pay for the works.
Jean Louis
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 05:29:08PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wur...@mdc-ber
Hello Alex,
Thank you much. That looks like a solution that is valuable, and I would
like to see that in future documentation.
The info documentation and guix package --help now provide the option to
read the file and evaluate from file, and I guess that this solution you
provided is better for
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