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2005-07-19 Thread warpmedia
Whoops, thought that went to trash! warpmedia wrote: One simple question: How much did GL loose due to STW3 being pirated? Answer, who cares he set a record at the box office for revenue anyway!

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2005-07-19 Thread warpmedia
One simple question: How much did GL loose due to STW3 being pirated? Answer, who cares he set a record at the box office for revenue anyway! If I'm a lazy apathetic ass who d/ls movies or waits watches on cable (hbo, showtime, etc...) what money did they or do they stand to gain from me in the f

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2005-07-07 Thread j m g
Just so folks don't think I'm a wacko commie here's my perspective again - I believe copyright protection is a privelege granted by the Constitution and regulated by congress to the producers of scientific or artistic works. The founders did this to compensate those producers for their work and t

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2005-07-06 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 08:24 PM 7/6/2005, Winterlight typed: The only way the media industry are going to come out of this, is to change their thinking, and come up with new ways to market old products. There was a little local coffee shop that use to play audio CDs that she had purchased when a RIAA representati

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2005-07-06 Thread Winterlight
Well put, I completely agree with you, however, in the end there is going to have to be some kind of middle ground. There is nothing really new happening here. The media industry has always been opposed to new technology going back to the player piano, the first real to real Ampex tape record

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2005-07-06 Thread Chris Reeves
ittorrent or Grokster or whatever, suddenly, everyone is OK with it. CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 2:13 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v.

RE: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-06 Thread Chris Reeves
m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:34 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. At 03:09 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: >Downloading a ISO copy of a DVD mo

Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:52:10 -0300 At 04:45 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: However there is no diff

Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-06 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Thane Sherrington wrote: What comes around goes around and all that. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Christopher Fisk -- Zoidberg: That's where I'm meeting Uncle Zoid for lunch to discuss my Hollywood dream. The next time you see me, don't be surprised if

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:45 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: However there is no difference in the level of injustice between my example and a filthy rich company that pollutes water and kills cute kittens who has the same thing happen to their video release. Wrong is wrong. Yes it is. And once again, you're

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:34:37 -0300 At 04:21 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: However there is no diff

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:25 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: Judging by the BT tracker statistics (amount of times the rip was downloaded) and prior sales of his series, yes I would say he lost close to that from P2P leeches. But was he overpriced for his market? Was there a market? These are questions tha

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:21 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: However there is no difference in the level of injustice between my example and a filthy rich company that pollutes water and kills cute kittens who has the same thing happen to their video release. Wrong is wrong. Yes it is. And once again, you're

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:17 PM 06/07/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote: FWIW: SOMEONE bought it at the price he was asking, in fact, by the way I read it he had a steady revenue stream. Then the video appeared on P2P and it just "happened" to coincide with when sales stopped. Very hard to compete with free. I kno

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:13:27 -0300 At 03:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: So a man who spends $50,

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2005-07-06 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: To realize just how stupid the DMCA is, buy using a green marker on certain copy-protected CDs to play properly, you are breaking the law. Beyond that. The company that MAKES the marker is breaking the law. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #418: Sysadm

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:07:17 -0300 At 03:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: So a man who spends $50,

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2005-07-06 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Thane Sherrington wrote: Here's another thought on this: Did he really lose $50,000 due to P2P, or was he priced out of the market and never would have sold enough to cover costs to begin with? FWIW: SOMEONE bought it at the price he was asking, in fact, by the way I r

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:11 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: Actually it does. Wait 8 months and buy it for $5 at Wal-mart. Doesn't happen here, unfortunately. Wouldn't buy from Wal-mart for moral reasons anyway. Shouldn't have to. BTW, it does not cost 30 cents to make a DVD. It costs $100m to make a mo

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
To realize just how stupid the DMCA is, buy using a green marker on certain copy-protected CDs to play properly, you are breaking the law. From: "Neil Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: "'The Hardware List'" Subject: RE: [H] Me

Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
will display full resolution of HD content (hint: most don't). From: Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd.,et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:53:31 -0400 For a $30 D

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 03:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: So a man who spends $50,000 to create an instructional video to sell on his website all of the sudden has his video is put on p2p and completely kills his sales (as evidenced by downloads from various BT trackers and the sales of prior video releases)

Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:47:28 -0300 At 03:22 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: work deserves the same

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 03:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: So a man who spends $50,000 to create an instructional video to sell on his website all of the sudden has his video is put on p2p and completely kills his sales (as evidenced by downloads from various BT trackers and the sales of prior video releases)

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2005-07-06 Thread Neil Davidson
I'll put in a lame 'me too' on that opinion :) >From what I've heard I'm a little more fortunate as I'm in the UK and the recording/movie industry isn't quite as controlling. For instance I've not paid full price for a CD or DVD for years. Most of my purchases are from online vendors offering up t

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
"fair use" It should be. Provided they are for private use and not for a P2P community. From: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v.

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
o: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:34:04 -0300 At 03:09 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: Downloading a ISO copy of a DVD movie you have not purchased is stealing. Steal

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 03:53 PM 06/07/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: For a $30 DVD it had better have some really good bonus features, interviews, etc. Remember I'm speaking Canadian. :) If it's the plain movie, then no. If there is some value added above and beyond the movie itself, then yes. But when does one have t

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
st To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd.,et al. Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:29:08 -0400 no no no - it's not stealing, it's copyright infringement justice, in practice, is not simple - it usually depends on which side you're

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2005-07-06 Thread Ben Ruset
For a $30 DVD it had better have some really good bonus features, interviews, etc. If it's the plain movie, then no. If there is some value added above and beyond the movie itself, then yes. Thane Sherrington wrote: At 03:22 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: work deserves the same amount o

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 03:29 PM 06/07/2005, j m g wrote: no no no - it's not stealing, it's copyright infringement justice, in practice, is not simple - it usually depends on which side you're on Thanks. A voice of reason. T

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 03:22 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: work deserves the same amount of protection from theft and exploitation that a purchaser of that work has. Is there anybody here who honestly thinks it should be legal to download a DVD copy for free that you would otherwise have to pay for? Nonsense.

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 03:09 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: Downloading a ISO copy of a DVD movie you have not purchased is stealing. Stealing is universally wrong and punishable the world over. I think it is you that is misunderstanding the incredibly simple definition of injustice. No, it's downloading - ke

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2005-07-06 Thread j m g
Hardware List > >To: The Hardware List > >Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., > >et al. > >Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:39:27 -0300 > > > >At 02:25 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: > > > >>http://dictionary.refe

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2005-07-06 Thread Ben Ruset
I agree with you. However the studio's right to protect their works ends where my rights to copy, reverse engineer, modify, whatever begins. I am anti-DRM. No argument here. Look it's really simple folks - I am pro-property and pro-privacy. I really do not understand why I am in the minority

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2005-07-06 Thread j m g
So it IS ok to copy copyright works? On 7/6/05, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >From: Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Hardware List > >To: The Hardware List > >Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v.

Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd.,et al. Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:52:43 -0400 Then how come none of the bittorren

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd.,et al. Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:52:43 -0400 Then how come none of the bittorren

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:39:27 -0300 At 02:25 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: http://dictionary.referen

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd.,et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:27:56 -0400 I think what he's getting at is downloading a TV show from the intern

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2005-07-06 Thread j m g
hile we're at it? On 7/6/05, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Hardware List > >To: The Hardware List > >Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd.,

Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 02:25 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=injustice in·jus·tice n. Violation of another's rights or of what is right; lack of justice. A specific unjust act; a wrong. Last I checked, stealing is wrong and stealing a pirated work is a violation of an

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2005-07-06 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: I think what he's getting at is downloading a TV show from the internet that he did *NOT* record himself, but could have. Is that illegal? Just send the broadcasting company a zero dollar check to pay for your rights to view the show. It's 10x the cost of

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2005-07-06 Thread Ben Ruset
I think what he's getting at is downloading a TV show from the internet that he did *NOT* record himself, but could have. Is that illegal? Hayes Elkins wrote: You record an authorized broadcast from your TV for personal use - that is legal. Renting a DVD, copying it to your hard drive, a

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:48:40 -0300 At 01:42 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: That's what demo soft

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd.,et al. Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:44:32 -0400 On 7/6/05, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PR

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:42 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: That's what demo software is for. Fully working demo software is available for just about any kind of app today. These days, acquiring a pirated version is growing harder to legitimize with the try-before-buy defense. Except that the demos I've trie

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: At some point people here need to realize that 99.999% of what is being downloaded on P2P networks is pirated material, and that is an injustice, no matter how evil you No, it's not an injustice (unless you actually think the "justice

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2005-07-06 Thread j m g
hat a broken daily by people who don't really think they're doing anything wrong, they do it because they can and, with the advent of p2p and broadband, also do it because it's easy. > > >From: Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Hardware List > &

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:36:04 -0300 At 01:30 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: No, it's not a

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2005-07-06 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:30 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: No, it's not an injustice (unless you actually think the "justice system" actually pertains to real justice.) It's illegal under the current laws. Downloading pirated software is, and always will be, theft. Which makes it illegal, and possibly unj

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd., et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:26:12 -0300 At 12:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: At some point people her

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
On a related note, here is some humor for all: From here http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=pirated+movies to here http://www.ezmovies.net/?hop=tl1movies to here http://www.eff.org/share/ to here http://www.eff.org/share/?f=compensation.html Play with fire

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
emails? From: "Hayes Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd.,et al. Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:59:17 -0400 What exactly did the Grokster advertisements

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2005-07-06 Thread Hayes Elkins
o sympathy. Should gun companies be allowed to show how to use a firearm to rob a bank? (The 0-60 comparison post is way off the mark) From: Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Ma

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2005-07-05 Thread Analyst
On 5 Jul 2005 at 12:24, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: > Next time somebody kills their spouse with a hammer, the next of kin > should sue Sears. Only if Sears was "promoting" the illegal use of the hammer. > On 7/5/05, j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But what it also doesn't do is give cla

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2005-07-05 Thread Ben Ruset
They should just sue the internet for making it easy to pirate movies. I wish people would stop going to the movies and stop buying music in response to these stupid lawsuits. Ultimately, fair-use rights are going to be eliminated, and we'll all be forced to live in a safe, happy DRM land, whe

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2005-07-05 Thread G.Waleed Kavalec
Next time somebody kills their spouse with a hammer, the next of kin should sue Sears. On 7/5/05, j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But what it also doesn't do is give clarity to allowing the suits inthe first place.  They've opened the door to folks to let the courtsdecide if there was any 'promoti

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2005-07-05 Thread j m g
But what it also doesn't do is give clarity to allowing the suits in the first place. They've opened the door to folks to let the courts decide if there was any 'promotion of infringement' by the hardware or software vendors. My Subaru's tv ad had 0-60 times as 5.4 secs - are they promoting reckl

[H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al.

2005-07-05 Thread Robert Turnbull
From The Washington Post: In Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster, Ltd., et al., the Court held that Grokster could be sued by MGM and other entertainment industry firms for its creation of a peer-to-peer file-sh