RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Analyst
Hayes, > Declarations of war in the 21st century are meaningless and will > probably never be used again. Likely true. > We are at war. The SCOTUS ruled we are not (at least in regards to the POTUS being able to unilaterally declare anyone he wishes an 'enemy combatant'). It may seem like

RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Hayes Elkins
t" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:51:31 -0500 Hayes, > This has technically always been the case since WWII when the POTUS was > allowed to designat

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Thane Sherrington wrote: Secondly, what hasn't the Canadian government said anything about it? Cause they just allowed us to strip search any American tourists we want to in retaliation. :) Nice! I wanna work in the Canadian strip police please. Christopher Fisk --

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Ben Ruset
Did they really? Hah, that's great! Thane Sherrington wrote: Cause they just allowed us to strip search any American tourists we want to in retaliation. :) T

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:47 PM 11/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: THOUSANDS of people fly through the US every day. I think we'd hear a lot more about this if it was a common thing. No kidding, that's why it seems strange to me. Secondly, what hasn't the Canadian government said anything about it? Cause they just a

RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Analyst
Hayes, > This has technically always been the case since WWII when the POTUS was > allowed to designate an individual as an enemy combatant. At that time, the SCOTUS ruled that he could have that power only because the Congress had enacted a 'Declaration of War'. Last year, the SCOTUS ruled

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Ben Ruset
There has to be some other side to the story. As dim of a opinion as I have on the way that the current administration is handling things, I can't see them detaining and torturing someone solely based on Arabic heritage. THOUSANDS of people fly through the US every day. I think we'd hear a lo

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread j m g
But in this poor guys case he wasn't even declared an enemy combatant, else why wasn't he in Gitmo? The US has been farming out their torture to countries like Syria since at least 9/11. I think as a policy it's being called "extreme rendition" or some such... On 8/11/05, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL P

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Ben Ruset
The Declaration of Independance is not the constitution. Plus a majority of the drafters of the Consitution owned slaves. j m g wrote: "we hold these truths to be self evident...that all men are created equal" unless you're just passing through? On 8/11/05, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread j m g
"we hold these truths to be self evident...that all men are created equal" unless you're just passing through? On 8/11/05, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pretty scary stuff. The one thing that strikes me though: > > "If passengers are deemed to be inadmissible, they have no > constitutio

RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Hayes Elkins
This has technically always been the case since WWII when the POTUS was allowed to designate an individual as an enemy combatant. From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] US not a nice place to travel through Date: Thu,

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:18 PM 11/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: Pretty scary stuff. The one thing that strikes me though: "If passengers are deemed to be inadmissible, they have no constitutional rights even if later taken to an American prison. Mason says that's because they are deemed to be still outside the U.S.,

Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through

2005-08-11 Thread Ben Ruset
Pretty scary stuff. The one thing that strikes me though: "If passengers are deemed to be inadmissible, they have no constitutional rights even if later taken to an American prison. Mason says that's because they are deemed to be still outside the U.S., from a legal point of view." Foreign c