Re: [arch] VM/Classlibrary interface

2005-05-28 Thread Rodrigo Kumpera
On 5/28/05, Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rodrigo Kumpera wrote: > > >>b) an accidental mistake, then you fix the small bug in your code, feel > >>better about the quality of your code, and move on. > > > > > > > > I agree with you about the first one, but the second is where the fine

Re: [arch] VM/Classlibrary interface

2005-05-28 Thread Dalibor Topic
Rodrigo Kumpera wrote: b) an accidental mistake, then you fix the small bug in your code, feel better about the quality of your code, and move on. I agree with you about the first one, but the second is where the fine line between pragmatic and retoric solutions line. It's easy to say 'just

Re: Harmony Meetup at JavaOne

2005-05-28 Thread PJ Cabrera
I will gladly meet to discuss Harmony and any other conversation people bring. Especially over good beer ^H^H^H^H architecture. (There ain't no good ones where I live right now. I'm hoping to rectify that soon. :-) I have some experience integrating Eclipse and Tomcat with SableVM and GNU Clas

Re: [arch] VM/Classlibrary interface

2005-05-28 Thread Rodrigo Kumpera
On 5/28/05, Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rodrigo Kumpera wrote: > > Last time I checked, no one, nether me or you, is developing code agains > the > > TCK, but to a real JVM. And as hard as we may try, sometimes we end with > > software that depends on unspecified behavior. So it'

Re: [arch] VM/Classlibrary interface

2005-05-28 Thread Richard S. Hall
Ulrich Kunitz wrote: On Fri, 27 May 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: (Tomcat : I'd bet they fixed that (or will fix...)) Well, can't the VM just prevent non-kernel code from using them? Maybe overhead too high? You could play class loader games, however those could be circumvented b

Re: Threading

2005-05-28 Thread André Luis Ferreira da Silva Bacci
A long, long time ago... Craig Blake wrote: Seems to me that you might want to be open to either using the platform's threading when a platform has good scalability, and punt and do it in VM when the platform doesn't offer it. If it can be done then I am all for it. Once the Harmony VM bec

Re: Tutorials

2005-05-28 Thread André Luis Ferreira da Silva Bacci
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 28, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Raffaele Castagno wrote: 7: paste the modified source, and save. :) No, I was thinking more along the lines of just having the wiki content in SVN or such, and let me do updates to that. Maybe a thin client on my machine to do the cr

Re: [arch] VM/Classlibrary interface

2005-05-28 Thread Dalibor Topic
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote: Rodrigo Kumpera wrote: Last time I checked, no one, nether me or you, is developing code agains the TCK, but to a real JVM. And as hard as we may try, sometimes we end with software that depends on unspecified behavior. So it's better try to be "bug compatible" too.

Re: Tutorials

2005-05-28 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 28, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Raffaele Castagno wrote: 2005/5/28, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Added to Wiki. I wish I could do wiki changes offline... It's quite simple: 1: open the page 2: copy the wiki source in your favourite text editor, and annotate the date of last u

Re: Tutorials

2005-05-28 Thread Raffaele Castagno
2005/5/28, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Added to Wiki. I wish I could do wiki changes offline... > It's quite simple: 1: open the page 2: copy the wiki source in your favourite text editor, and annotate the date of last update 3: go offline 4: modify it 5: go online, and check i

Re: Tutorials

2005-05-28 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Added to Wiki. I wish I could do wiki changes offline... On May 28, 2005, at 2:01 AM, Steve Blackburn wrote: I was reminded of the existence of the following tutorials. There is an treasure trove of really valuable information here. I invite people to take a look. There is also an MMTk

Re: [arch] VM/Classlibrary interface

2005-05-28 Thread Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Rodrigo Kumpera wrote: Last time I checked, no one, nether me or you, is developing code agains the TCK, but to a real JVM. And as hard as we may try, sometimes we end with software that depends on unspecified behavior. So it's better try to be "bug compatible" too. No, I don't agree on t

Re: [arch] VM/Classlibrary interface

2005-05-28 Thread Dalibor Topic
Rodrigo Kumpera wrote: Last time I checked, no one, nether me or you, is developing code agains the TCK, but to a real JVM. And as hard as we may try, sometimes we end with software that depends on unspecified behavior. So it's better try to be "bug compatible" too. If you end up with softwar