Am Sonntag 26 April 2009 04:38:42 schrieb Jason Dusek:
As always, opinions on aesthetics differ slightly, but
overall, everyone seems to mostly agree...
Eh? Since when did they mostly agree? The 200 column example
we've seen brought out a lot of disagreement.
Well, to be picky, Bob
2009/04/26 Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de:
While I can easily imagine the need for 100-character lines to
improve readability, 200 is way beyond my imagination :)
It's not beyond someone's imagination, though. Would you like
that line to land on your screen?
If we do not
Am Sonntag 26 April 2009 23:08:41 schrieb Jason Dusek:
2009/04/26 Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de:
While I can easily imagine the need for 100-character lines to
improve readability, 200 is way beyond my imagination :)
It's not beyond someone's imagination, though. Would you like
2009/04/26 Miguel miguelim...@yandex.ru:
2009/04/26 Jason Dusek jason.du...@gmail.com:
If we do not preserve the old ways, it'll be anarchy all the
way down.
How exactly are you going to preserve old ways?
Whenever are we are presented with the a question of correct
conduct, we must
On 25 Apr 2009, at 8:59 pm, Miguel Mitrofanov wrote:
Something like
newtype MyCoolMonad = MyCoolMonad (FirstTransformer
(SecondTransformer (ThirdTransformer Whatever))) deriving (Functor,
Monad, FirstClass, SecondClass, ThirdClass, SomeOtherClass)
Nobody would be really interested in
Am Samstag 25 April 2009 08:48:16 schrieb Thomas Davie:
On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:37, Loup Vaillant wrote:
2009/4/23 Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru:
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Thomas Davie wrote:
Haskell is a very horizontal language, and to limit our horizontal
space
seems pretty
Something like
newtype MyCoolMonad = MyCoolMonad (FirstTransformer (SecondTransformer
(ThirdTransformer Whatever))) deriving (Functor, Monad, FirstClass,
SecondClass, ThirdClass, SomeOtherClass)
Nobody would be really interested in deriving clause, because it
basically says derive
On 25 Apr 2009, at 10:51, Daniel Fischer wrote:
Am Samstag 25 April 2009 08:48:16 schrieb Thomas Davie:
On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:37, Loup Vaillant wrote:
2009/4/23 Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru:
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Thomas Davie wrote:
Haskell is a very horizontal language, and
Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru writes:
On 24 Apr 2009, at 16:37, Loup Vaillant wrote:
2009/4/23 Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru:
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Thomas Davie wrote:
Haskell is a very horizontal language, and to limit our horizontal
space
seems pretty weird.
On 25 Apr 2009, at 18:34, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote:
Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru writes:
On 24 Apr 2009, at 16:37, Loup Vaillant wrote:
2009/4/23 Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru:
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Thomas Davie wrote:
Haskell is a very horizontal language, and to
Am Samstag 25 April 2009 16:44:45 schrieb Miguel Mitrofanov:
On 25 Apr 2009, at 18:34, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote:
Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru writes:
On 24 Apr 2009, at 16:37, Loup Vaillant wrote:
2009/4/23 Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru:
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Thomas
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:34:05AM -0400, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote:
You don't write lisp, do you? Or probably it is just me.
But I would prefer to write the line as
newtype MyCoolMonad = MyCoolMonad (FirstTransformer
(SecondTransformer
On 25 Apr 2009, at 19:08, Felipe Lessa wrote:
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:34:05AM -0400, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote:
You don't write lisp, do you? Or probably it is just me.
But I would prefer to write the line as
newtype MyCoolMonad = MyCoolMonad (FirstTransformer
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:38:59PM +0400, Miguel Mitrofanov wrote:
Also, I don't mistake the transformers as different
parameters because of the parenthesis
You should really try Lisp. In my opinion, parenthesis are a kind of
noise - too small, too many.
I don't try lisp because I don't like
On 25 Apr 2009, at 19:59, Felipe Lessa wrote:
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:38:59PM +0400, Miguel Mitrofanov wrote:
Also, I don't mistake the transformers as different
parameters because of the parenthesis
You should really try Lisp. In my opinion, parenthesis are a kind of
noise - too small,
There will always be some people who prefer longer lines. The
real issue is, how do we deal with the fundamental
disagreement here? It's not like we can have both. Also those
people who like long lines -- will they all agree to a long
line length?
--
Jason Dusek
On 25 Apr 2009, at 21:09, Jason Dusek wrote:
There will always be some people who prefer longer lines. The
real issue is, how do we deal with the fundamental
disagreement here? It's not like we can have both. Also those
people who like long lines -- will they all agree to a long
line
It's surely more than enough to Haskell, Python, Perl, C++ and other
very concise and expressive languages. But for Java and the likes it
may well be just barely enough for a single *identifier* alone!! :P
2009/4/21 Dusan Kolar ko...@fit.vutbr.cz:
Dear all,
reading that
according the
2009/4/21 Edward Kmett ekm...@gmail.com:
I find a hard 80 character line length limit to be somewhat ridiculous in
this day and age. I've long since revised my personal rule of thumb upwards
towards 132, if only because I can still show two windows of that side by
side with no worries, along
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Neil Mitchell ndmitch...@gmail.com wrote:
P.S. We really need such a well written style guide for
haskell. Python has this nice PEP (Python Enhancement
Proposals). Should we start making our own HEP?
We have one:
2009/04/25 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com:
2009/04/25 Jason Dusek:
There will always be some people who prefer longer lines. The
real issue is, how do we deal with the fundamental
disagreement here? It's not like we can have both. Also those
people who like long lines -- will they all agree
2009/4/23 Miguel Mitrofanov miguelim...@yandex.ru:
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Thomas Davie wrote:
Haskell is a very horizontal language, and to limit our horizontal space
seems pretty weird.
+1. I sometimes use lines up to 200 characters long, when I feel they would
be more readable.
200
Some material I've read on typography -- can't find the
reference now -- suggests ~65 is the best number of characters
per line. The advice was, if your page is larger than that,
you should make columns.
That fits my observations. In particular, I noticed that your emails were
On 23 Apr 2009, at 10:02, Matthijs Kooijman wrote:
Some material I've read on typography -- can't find the
reference now -- suggests ~65 is the best number of characters
per line. The advice was, if your page is larger than that,
you should make columns.
That fits my observations. In
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Thomas Davie wrote:
On 23 Apr 2009, at 10:02, Matthijs Kooijman wrote:
Some material I've read on typography -- can't find the
reference now -- suggests ~65 is the best number of characters
per line. The advice was, if your page is larger than that,
you should make
The question of which column width is right is not a
revealing one -- there is little technical or scientific basis
to prefer 117 to 80.
The line length that we prefer is similarly unenlightening.
The number of people who, when pushing for column widths
greater than 80, choose 132
Really, the whole thing makes me wish we had blasphemy laws.
If any person, in speaking or in writing, shall indicate
a preference for column widths other than 80 or indent
characters other than spaces (`0x20`) they shall be
compelled to present some science or be subject to
On 22 Apr 2009, at 8:09 pm, Jason Dusek wrote:
Really, the whole thing makes me wish we had blasphemy laws.
If any person, in speaking or in writing, shall indicate
a preference for column widths other than 80 or indent
characters other than spaces (`0x20`) they shall be
Some material I've read on typography -- can't find the
reference now -- suggests ~65 is the best number of characters
per line. The advice was, if your page is larger than that,
you should make columns.
If someone has done some studies with specifically program
text, I'd of course be
Dear all,
reading that
according the several style guides, lines shouldn't be too long
(longer than 78 characters).
http://www.cs.caltech.edu/courses/cs11/material/haskell/misc/haskell_style_guide.html
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Programming_guidelines
I would like to know, whether
Dusan Kolar ko...@fit.vutbr.cz writes:
Dear all,
reading that
according the several style guides, lines shouldn't be too long
(longer than 78 characters).
http://www.cs.caltech.edu/courses/cs11/material/haskell/misc/haskell_style_guide.html
Hi
I believe it is a good practice too keep each line short and
easy to read. The following is taken from python style
guide.
Maximum Line Length
Limit all lines to a maximum of 79 characters.
There are still many devices around that are limited to 80 character
lines; plus,
Dusan Kolar wrote:
...
Or is the reason much deeper? Or, is the bound set to 78 characters just
because it is as good number as any other?
...
As a little historical detour I think the 80 character limit goes back
to 1928 when IBM designed their punched card format
I find a hard 80 character line length limit to be somewhat ridiculous in
this day and age. I've long since revised my personal rule of thumb upwards
towards 132, if only because I can still show two windows of that side by
side with no worries, along with all the IDE browsing baggage, even on a
Edward Kmett ekm...@gmail.com writes:
I find a hard 80 character line length limit to be somewhat ridiculous in this
day and age. I've long since revised my personal rule of thumb upwards towards
132, if only because I can still show two windows of that side by side with no
worries, along
Xiao-Yong Jin xj2...@columbia.edu wrote:
Edward Kmett ekm...@gmail.com writes:
I find a hard 80 character line length limit to be
somewhat ridiculous in this
day and age. I've long since revised my personal
rule of thumb upwards towards
132, if only because I can still show two
Robert Greayer robgrea...@yahoo.com writes:
Xiao-Yong Jin xj2...@columbia.edu wrote:
Edward Kmett ekm...@gmail.com writes:
I find a hard 80 character line length limit to be
somewhat ridiculous in this
day and age. I've long since revised my personal
rule of thumb upwards towards
Robert Greayer wrote:
But the discussion is about a coding standard -- surely if I claimed to like to
have 4 windows side by side, that wouldn't be a good reason to reduce the
standard
to 40 columns? Being able to read one line 'at a glance' seems to me to be
improved if that line contains
Xiao-Yong Jin schrieb:
P.S. We really need such a well written style guide for
haskell. Python has this nice PEP (Python Enhancement
Proposals). Should we start making our own HEP?
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Category:Proposals
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 13:52 +0100, Neil Mitchell wrote:
P.S. We really need such a well written style guide for
haskell. Python has this nice PEP (Python Enhancement
Proposals). Should we start making our own HEP?
We have one: urchin.earth.li/~ian/style/haskell.html
Yes,
Hi, i hate those html forms that show you [haskell,python] code in a narrow
box that is suposed to make the code clear, but it darkens the code by
cutting it.
Maybe having all lines shorter helps, but the narrow window effect is
chasing us nonsensely.-
haroldo
2009/4/21 Richard Kelsall
Dusan Kolar wrote:
Dear all,
reading that
according the several style guides, lines shouldn't be too long
(longer than 78 characters).
http://www.cs.caltech.edu/courses/cs11/material/haskell/misc/haskell_style_guide.html
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Programming_guidelines
I
wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org wrote:
There is a deeper reason. Much work in typography has shown
that humans read text best when it's around 76
characters wide; if things get narrower than that then
cohesion is lost, if things get wider then it takes a long
time to acquire the
On 22 Apr 2009, at 2:53 am, Richard Kelsall wrote:
Dusan Kolar wrote:
...
Or is the reason much deeper? Or, is the bound set to 78 characters
just because it is as good number as any other?
...
As a little historical detour I think the 80 character limit goes back
to 1928 when IBM designed
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