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2006-07-13 Thread Peter da Silva
But that's what you missed. You can specify table layout for any elements, but since IE doesn't support these properties it doesn't make It looked like you could make any element act like TR or TD, but it didn't look like you could describe the table in the CSS.

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2006-07-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Aaron Crane hate...@aaroncrane.co.uk [2006-07-13 12:40]: No, only people who didn't understand the point of non-presentational markup did that. The rest of us went from bHello there!/b to strongHello there!/strong Don’t miss http://hsivonen.iki.fi/wannabe/ though. FWIW, I use

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2006-07-13 Thread Peter da Silva
CSS 3, Multi-Column Layout, currently a Working Draft. Doesn't (currently) include a way to specify min and max column widths and let the browser auto-size the columns, but this is where to speak up if you want to see this in an actual standard. db# INSERT INTO hates_software (tag,hate)

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2006-07-13 Thread Foofy
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:51:21 -0400, Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com wrote: I'm not talking about multi-column layout, I'm talking about general grid layout. You should be able to define a complex page layout, at the top level, completely in CSS, just as easily as you can define a complex

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2006-07-13 Thread Peter da Silva
Like I said, you _can_ do this, but it won't work in IE. The spec is eight years old, so blame Microsoft, not the W3, though they should be shot for other reasons (XSLT, for instance). Just read the damned link: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/tables.html#anonymous-boxes I *did* read the

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2006-07-13 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great Peter da Silva once stated: Like I said, you _can_ do this, but it won't work in IE. The spec is eight years old, so blame Microsoft, not the W3, though they should be shot for other reasons (XSLT, for instance). Just read the damned link:

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2006-07-13 Thread Peter da Silva
You'll then notice that the Obligatory Picture is now below the Amazon ads (which themselves have shifted down) on the right hand side. I did not use floats for either style, nor did I play with layers. Granted, it took some playing around with but since I don't really *care* for IE

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2006-07-13 Thread Peter da Silva
And it still sounds like you'll be using a ton of DIVs to replace TRs and TDs. Well, except that it wouldn't be a ton, and the layout of the divs would be specified entirely in the CSS file. Like the stuff Aaron linked to. And if I understand you right, you want something like: DIV

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2006-07-13 Thread Aaron Crane
Peter da Silva writes: I'm not talking about multi-column layout, I'm talking about general grid layout. You should be able to define a complex page layout, at the top level, completely in CSS, just as easily as you can define a complex table. So something more like the possible approaches in

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2006-07-13 Thread Peter da Silva
So something more like the possible approaches in this, then? http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-layout-20051215/ ... Oh, thank you! That looks like it allows just about everything I can think of, except for non-contiguous and interleaved flow. Non-contiguous flow: @x aa

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2006-07-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com [2006-07-12 16:55]: (insert hate about CSS taking the whole no tables things too seriously and refusing to have grid layout as an option, just to turn it up to 11) `display: table-cell`, anyone? Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/

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2006-07-13 Thread Guy Thornley
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:25:44PM +0100, Yoz Grahame wrote: On 7/12/06, Hakim Cassimally hakim.cassima...@gmail.com wrote: So, I had to reboot it every 1-2 days or it would run like treacle, Same with mine. And the problem - oh how I laughed - appears to be Firefox leaking like a wounded

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2006-07-13 Thread Philip Newton
On 7/13/06, Guy Thornley g...@esphion.com wrote: Im sure there is plenty of other things. Oh there definately is: theres no option for treat as plain text when opening an unsupported mime type. The server is always right, is it? Yes. Yes it is. If and only if the media type is not given

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2006-07-13 Thread Peter da Silva
If and only if the media type is not given by a Content-Type field, the recipient MAY attempt to guess the media type via inspection of its content and/or the name extension(s) of the URI used to identify the resource. (RFC 2616) Software that ignores this, and decides to sniff

Re: Firefox Unix Keybindings (Was: Start - Shut Down - Log Out)

2006-07-13 Thread Smylers
Guy Thornley writes: Oh now we get to one my pet [Firefox] hates; the one that I find most endearing: the handling of the multi-line text input dialoges. In many unix text editors, Ctrl-A is beginning-of-line; so you press Ctrl-A, and then press a key to insert whatever character you want:

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2006-07-13 Thread Earle Martin
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:41:08PM +1200, Guy Thornley wrote: Im sure there is plenty of other things. Oh there definately is: theres no option for treat as plain text when opening an unsupported mime type. Over five and a half years old and counting.

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2006-07-13 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2006-07-12 at 15:33 +0200, David Landgren wrote: Give the .cmd extension a whirl in lieu of .bat, that may work. Either works for me so perhaps your PC's ext associations are fupped uck. Just to double-check before I spend time fighting Windows -- this is using the App Paths section of the

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2006-07-13 Thread Smylers
Peter da Silva writes: JSC: Okay. Press Alt + Esc. Oh yes, it's *control-escape*. Bleeding obvious, no? No? Alt was the universal command key up to then, but Windows 95 is when Microsoft really jumped the shark... I think that Ctrl+Esc did do something on Windows 3.1, perhaps

Debian's lighttpd package

2006-07-13 Thread Patrick Quinn-Graham
Normally I don't harbour much hate for Debian, but sometimes package maintainers deserve a thwack over the head. Removing lighttpd ... Stopping web server: lighttpd failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript lighttpd, action stop failed. dpkg: error processing lighttpd (--remove): subprocess pre-removal