RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Luke Kanies
I currently spend all my time in Ruby, but I fortunately don't have to deal much with RubyGems. I say fortunately, because, like all software, it's hate-worthy. I personally think it's a bit more hate- worthy than it should be, and here's an example. Some people run released versions of

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Patrick Quinn-Graham
On 9-Nov-06, at 11:42 PM, Martin Ebourne wrote: So I've not even attempted to do any ruby programming. But I have done endless amounts of programming in a dozen other languages. That post was meaningless gibberish to me. I find it difficult to believe that ruby has come up with such completely

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 23:47 -0800, Patrick Quinn-Graham wrote: Uh, you're hating ruby for calling it's package management system RubyGems? That's like hating perl for CPAN or php for whatever it is php has. Now obviously CPAN is hate-worthy, but not for it's name, surely. And

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread demerphq
On 11/10/06, Martin Ebourne li...@ebourne.me.uk wrote: CPAN is great as a website, and that's where it should have stayed. The web site came AFTER. Yves -- perl -Mre=debug -e /just|another|perl|hacker/

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Nik Clayton
Luke Kanies wrote: I currently spend all my time in Ruby, but I fortunately don't have to deal much with RubyGems. I say fortunately, because, like all software, it's hate-worthy. I personally think it's a bit more hate-worthy than it should be, and here's an example. Some people run

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread jrodman
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 10:33:28AM +, Nik Clayton wrote: Luke Kanies wrote: *I* don't mind. Ruby doesn't mind. But oh now, RubyGems declares that I cannot have a version number that looks like that: Malformed version number string 0.20.0-svn Not to diminish your hate, but that's a

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Philip Newton
On 11/10/06, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:12:46PM -0600, Luke Kanies wrote: This means I can't even use my Rakefile ... Is that a typo, or have the Ruby crowd reinvented make? Make itself is hateful enough, without having another incomplete and

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 03:40:42PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: On 11/10/06, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote: Is that a typo, or have the Ruby crowd reinvented make? Make itself is hateful enough, without having another incomplete and broken version to put up with

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Sean O'Rourke
David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:12:46PM -0600, Luke Kanies wrote: This means I can't even use my Rakefile ... Is that a typo, or have the Ruby crowd reinvented make? It seems to be a universal urge: Module::Build, Sconstruct, ... And yes, it is

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Stephen Deken
On 11/10/06, Sean O'Rourke sorou...@cs.ucsd.edu wrote: It seems to be a universal urge: Module::Build, Sconstruct, ... And yes, it is enormously hateful. Just be glad people haven't (that I know of) started using Rake (gag) to build project not written in Ruby. The name `rake` is just wrong,

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 09:21:49AM -0600, Stephen Deken wrote: On 11/10/06, Sean O'Rourke sorou...@cs.ucsd.edu wrote: And end up further into the other Great Ruby Hate of giving programs clever names you'll never guess? Does the library dealing with X have X in its name, or is it named

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Sean O'Rourke
David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: The rot set in far far earlier, with 'awt' and 'swing'. Neither name cries out widget set to me. To be fair, both are acronyms: Advanced Widget Toolkit and Simple Widgeting Is Not Gay. hth, /s

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 07:40:23AM -0800, Sean O'Rourke wrote: To be fair Wrong list. -- David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive While researching this email, I was forced to carry out some investigative work which unfortunately involved a bucket of puppies and a

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Phil!Gregory
* Sean O'Rourke sorou...@cs.ucsd.edu [2006-11-10 07:40 -0800]: To be fair, both are acronyms: Advanced Widget Toolkit and Simple Widgeting Is Not Gay. And Simple Widgeting Is Not Gay isn't a horrid name for a widget library? -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... /

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread jrodman
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 12:34:10PM -0500, Phil!Gregory wrote: * Sean O'Rourke sorou...@cs.ucsd.edu [2006-11-10 07:40 -0800]: To be fair, both are acronyms: Advanced Widget Toolkit and Simple Widgeting Is Not Gay. And Simple Widgeting Is Not Gay isn't a horrid name for a widget library? A

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Claes Jakobsson
On 10 nov 2006, at 16.40, Sean O'Rourke wrote: David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: The rot set in far far earlier, with 'awt' and 'swing'. Neither name cries out widget set to me. To be fair, both are acronyms: Advanced Widget Toolkit and Simple Widgeting Is Not Gay. hth, /s

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread jrodman
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 03:32:25PM +, David Cantrell wrote: I expect that both awt and swing have now been deprecated, as they're at least five minutes old and so are hopelessly uncool. Their replacement is probably called something obvious like 'doublelattemocha' or 'Brian'. Given your

Re: RubyGems deciding version formats

2006-11-10 Thread Peter da Silva
David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:12:46PM -0600, Luke Kanies wrote: This means I can't even use my Rakefile ... Is that a typo, or have the Ruby crowd reinvented make? It seems to be a universal urge: Module::Build, Sconstruct, ... And yes, it is