Re: Firefox 2.0's printing

2007-03-16 Thread Aaron J. Grier
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 04:18:19AM -0400, Michael Leuchtenburg wrote: > Oh, and to make things better, the print preview isn't an accurate > picture of the way things actually print. That would be way too > fucking easy, wouldn't it? someone remind me again what font rendering library firefox is u

Re: An open letter to Applescript

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Nandor
At 16:58 -0500 2007.03.16, Jeremy Weathers wrote: >OSA scripting support is hateful enough on its own (though it >continues to tease me with the potential of usefulness). Adding the >AppleScript language on top of that keeps me away from Script Editor >for months at a time. That's why I wrote a wh

Re: An open letter to Applescript

2007-03-16 Thread Jeremy Weathers
The same goes for the utter fuckwits who designed you. I hope their families die too so they can't spread whatever defective genes spawned a moron like you. While HyperTalk was tolerable (IIRC), whoever thought extending the language outside of its environment into the realm of system and applic

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
Peter da Silva wrote: >> Why they hid this in "Keyboard Shortcuts" I have no idea. > > Every release of OS X has hidden more stuff in really fucked up places > in Preferences. Speaking of hiding stuff, whomever decided in 10.3 that it would be a great idea to turn the simple "Keyboard Viewer" and

An open letter to Applescript

2007-03-16 Thread David Cantrell
Dear Applescript You're a retarded buggy undocumented piece of shit. Please fuck off and die slowly and painfully, impaled on a rusty shit-smeared spike. The same goes for the utter fuckwits who designed you. I hope their families die too so they can't spread whatever defective genes spawned a mo

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Robert Rothenberg [2007-03-16 17:00]: > On 15/03/07 22:53 A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > What dimwit ever thought that conflating these options in a > > single preference in this manner was a sane thing to do!? It > > took me AGES to realise why the damn Ctrl-W shortcut no > > longer worked as I expect

Re: Firefox 2.0's printing

2007-03-16 Thread Robert Rothenberg
Lots of things are hateful about Firefox printing. Go to View -> Page Style and select No Style. Then Print Preview. Ignored. Worse, it's re-enabled the stylesheet.

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Robert Rothenberg
On 15/03/07 22:53 A. Pagaltzis wrote: > What dimwit ever thought that conflating these options in a > single preference in this manner was a sane thing to do!? It took > me AGES to realise why the damn Ctrl-W shortcut no longer worked > as I expected it to. Googling for close to two hours or so in

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Peter da Silva
On Mar 16, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: That's a Mac thing, Firefox is just behaving like a native app. You can change this behavior system wide. I discovered that there's an option hidden in System Preferences -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts for "In windows and dialog

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Peter da Silva
On Mar 15, 2007, at 11:57 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: Casual users don't click to bring a tab to the front and accidentally hit the close button that's taking up 1/4 of the tab they're clicking on? I'm not a "casual user", I don't think, and I use Camino - I haven't tried out the new Firefox

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Martin Ebourne
Michael G Schwern wrote: Martin Ebourne wrote: Well, you're right for you I presume, but definitely not right for everyone. Can't we all just hate everyone? Hey, this list is for hating software, not people. Maybe a hates-people list would be too scary. Windows on the desktop tend to b

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Smylers
A. Pagaltzis writes: > * Abigail [2007-03-16 01:55]: > > > On the boxes I do use Firefox, I have it disappear under me so many > > times after using Ctrl-W just trying to erase the current URL. > > Funnily enough, that happens to me with Gaim chat windows, I've somehow managed to get both Fire

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Smylers
A. Pagaltzis writes: > With 2.x, I have to use either Ctrl-W or Alt-F4, depending on whether > I'm looking at a window with several tabs or just one -- as long as I > enable "Always show the tab bar." If I turn it off, then Ctrl-W does > what I want. (So after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Smylers
Martin Ebourne writes: > On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 17:19 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > > Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a tiny > > little "close" button on a tiny little tab is? X-Chat Aqua used to > > do this but they sensible took it out. Firefox used to do thi

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Smylers
A. Pagaltzis writes: > I think there even was an unclose-tab function somewhere, but it's > well hidden; I only stumbled onto it accidentally and now I can't > remember or rediscover what obscure gesture invokes it. Ctrl+Shift+T opens the most recently closed tab (and you can do it a few times to

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
Martin Ebourne wrote: > On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 17:19 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: >> Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a tiny little >> "close" button on a tiny little tab is? X-Chat Aqua used to do this but they >> sensible took it out. Firefox used to do this but th

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 17:19 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a tiny little > "close" button on a tiny little tab is? X-Chat Aqua used to do this but they > sensible took it out. Firefox used to do this but they unsensibly put it back >

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2007-03-15 at 23:58 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > That's a Mac thing, Firefox is just behaving like a native app. You can > change this behavior system wide. I discovered that there's an option hidden > in System Preferences -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts for "In > windows and d

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
Phil Pennock wrote: > Camino's nice. Having tab (the key) take you to buttons (not just text* > input fields), as Firefox does on every other platform, is pretty > essential for keeping my frustration levels down as all my keyboard > navigation habits get blown away. That's a Mac thing, Firefox i

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2007-03-15 at 18:50 -0500, Jeremy Weathers wrote: > It doesn't help you, but the OS X version handles this correctly. Are you sure? Uncheck "Hide tab bar when only one tab is open". Watch as closing the last tab causes a flicker as it reopens "(Untitled)", the blank URL. The "Prevent last tab

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2007-03-16 at 01:48 +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > Since then, the basic Firefox tabbing has always worked well > enough for me. > > Guess that's no longer true. *snarl* Copy your prefs.js from the profile directory. Install Tab Mix Plus. Tinker to get things working. Copy the new prefs.js Unins

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2007-03-16 at 01:36 +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 01:20]: > > Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a > > tiny little "close" button on a tiny little tab is? Firefox is not always the most responsive of applications. Sometimes I don't know

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 01:20]: >> Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a >> tiny little "close" button on a tiny little tab is? > > It's actually a preferrable UI style for casual users. The two > styles have very different affordances. Casu

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
Joe Mahoney wrote: > I much prefer the "button on the tab" implementation. Now you don't > have to click on the tab, then move your mouse over to the close > button. I rarely accidentally close the wrong tab in Firefox 2, but I > did it much more often in 1.x Hit (ctrl|apple)-w. We don't need no

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread peter f miller
On 3/15/07, jrod...@hate.spamportal.net wrote: Personally, I find this extension worth the price of admission to prevent Backspace (the erase-previous-charachter key) from changing to the previously accessed web page. " Ahh, the memories! Searching for a way to disable that Backspace key miser

[offlist] Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Joshua Rodman
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:23:31AM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * jrod...@hate.spamportal.net [2007-03-16 > 01:10]: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented > > > behaviour that the close-tab button always had >

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Abigail [2007-03-16 01:55]: > On the boxes I do use Firefox, I have it disappear under me so > many times after using Ctrl-W just trying to erase the current > URL. Funnily enough, that happens to me with Gaim chat windows, but never with Firefox. (I also keep hitting Ctrl-Z to undo my last tex

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Abigail
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:23:31AM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * jrod...@hate.spamportal.net [2007-03-16 > 01:10]: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented > > > behaviour that the close-tab button always had >

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 00:15]: > I'd never noticed this behavior before, and I tried it out and > it wasn't how my Firefox works. Turns out to be a side-effect > of the wonderful Tab Mix Plus add-on which has many wonderful > benefits. > > While on the subject of tabs, I'd also recommen

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 01:20]: > Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a > tiny little "close" button on a tiny little tab is? It's actually a preferrable UI style for casual users. The two styles have very different affordances. That said, I made a beeline for th

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Joe Mahoney
On 3/16/07, Michael G Schwern wrote: Its like putting a "self destruct" button on the right hand side of all the tables in your house. Carelessly put a cup down in the wrong spot and *boop*! Your table and cup disappear! And the best part is, there's no undo! (something else Tab Mix Plus fix

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* jrod...@hate.spamportal.net [2007-03-16 01:10]: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented > > behaviour that the close-tab button always had > > I'm not sure if you want CTRL-W to do this. I don't. That is, > to my

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
Jeremy Weathers wrote: >> That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour >> that the close-tab button always had: when there's only one tab >> left, Ctrl-W closes the tab AND THEN OPENS A NEW ONE WITH THE >> HOMEPAGE!! RHHH! DIE!! Die, dammit, and get outta my face! >> Really,

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread jrodman
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour > that the close-tab button always had I'm not sure if you want CTRL-W to do this. I don't. That is, to my mind CTRL-W is close window, not close tab. If that somehow

Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Jeremy Weathers
That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour that the close-tab button always had: when there's only one tab left, Ctrl-W closes the tab AND THEN OPENS A NEW ONE WITH THE HOMEPAGE!! RHHH! DIE!! Die, dammit, and get outta my face! Really, it's very hard to excite me past my

[offlist] Re: Where "always" means "come hell or high water"

2007-03-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
A. Pagaltzis wrote: > Except that in Firefox 2, "Always show the tab bar" apparently > means "even if you have to rescue the browser window from > destruction to ensure that the tab bar can continue to shine in > all its glory." > > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour