Re: Opera

> I think the difference here is that Opera has an actual MDI > interface (or at least used to), whereas Firefox has just tabs. Oh, is that it, Opera is still trying to keep that ghastly abortion known as MDI alive, even on the Mac where MDI has never existed? God damn, that's hateful.

Re: Opera

> The content of the address field changes. Back/forward buttons change. > Content of the search field changes. Text zoom status changes. Stop/ > reload status changes. None of these involve changing what controls are displayed, and all of those changes also happen every time you navigate to a

Re: Opera

s do not seem to be confused by the implicit connection between those controls. I think the difference here is that Opera has an actual MDI interface (or at least used to), whereas Firefox has just tabs. Full-bore window-in-window MDI, coincidentally, is pretty much the worst UI metaphor ever devise

Re: Opera

On 15/06/2008, at 10:50 PM, Peter da Silva wrote: On 2008-06-15, at 02:11, Gareth Redman wrote: With tabs on bottom you have content inside the tab pane (the page) and controls outside (like the, um, awesomebar) that *both* change when the tab changes. If the controls on the address bar ch

Re: Opera

On Jun 14, 2008, at 16:23, Peter da Silva wrote: On 2008-06-14, at 00:47, Marco Von Ballmoos wrote: On Jun 13, 2008, at 23:47, Peter da Silva wrote: After reading the last rant on this subject I assumed that Opera would have an obvous way to move toolbars around. But... no, I don't s

Re: Opera

tab changes, then that's hateful. It's also inexplicable. I don't know of anything except for browsers that uses this perverse arrangement. The layout of the address bar is not dependent on the content of the page being displayed. Why on earth would you expect it to be? D

Re: Opera

On 14/06/2008, at 9:47 AM, Peter da Silva wrote: OK, so firefox sucks and opera is great, so I try it out... After reading the last rant on this subject I assumed that Opera would have an obvous way to move toolbars around. But... no, I don't see it. No. You can move toolbars from t

Re: Opera

On 2008-06-14, at 00:47, Marco Von Ballmoos wrote: On Jun 13, 2008, at 23:47, Peter da Silva wrote: After reading the last rant on this subject I assumed that Opera would have an obvous way to move toolbars around. But... no, I don't see it. I'm not qualified to judge whe

Re: Opera

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:47:41 -0500 (CDT), pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote: > OK, so firefox sucks and opera is great, so I try it out... There is no perfect browser. they all suck, somewhere, somehow. It's still based on software, and if it is not the browser that trigg

Re: Opera

On Jun 13, 2008, at 23:47, Peter da Silva wrote: After reading the last rant on this subject I assumed that Opera would have an obvous way to move toolbars around. But... no, I don't see it. I'm not qualified to judge whether right-clicking the toolbar and selecting "Cus

[offlist] Re: Opera

> * Peter da Silva [2008-06-13 23:55]: > > Whatever posessed them to put the tab bar above the other > > toolbars? Does ANY other application in the world do that? > IE7. Snrk. I was able to fix IE7's little red wagon.

Re: Opera

* Peter da Silva [2008-06-13 23:55]: > Whatever posessed them to put the tab bar above the other > toolbars? Does ANY other application in the world do that? IE7. Snrk. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis //

Opera

OK, so firefox sucks and opera is great, so I try it out... After reading the last rant on this subject I assumed that Opera would have an obvous way to move toolbars around. But... no, I don't see it. Whatever posessed them to put the tab bar above the other toolbars? Does ANY other applic