On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 03:52:57PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote:
> How much of this stuff is, in practice, an actual problem for a system
> that is, as all systems should, synchronizing the clock over NTP?
internet access always being 100% available when system are rebooting...
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On 2010.11.9 8:24 PM, Joshua Juran wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>
>> On 2010.11.9 9:31 AM, Joshua Juran wrote:
>>> Dual-booting OS 9 and OS X demonstrates OS X using local time as well. I
>>> don't know what happens on Macs that can't boot classic Mac OS.
>>
>> I
On 2010-11-09, at 09:53, david.mackint...@xdroop.com wrote:
> To: Dave Mackintosh
> Cc: Larry; Curly; m...@3stoogesenterprises.local
> Subject: RE: whos on 1st?
>
> In this case, my, Larry, and Curly's addresses are hidden here
> because my outlook has them listed in one of my Address books (or th
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Alan Amaya wrote:
> Is there an RFC that says whether email times are allowed to include
> leap seconds,
Yes.
> because otherwise you might be misled into thinking the message was sent
> tomorrow when right thinking clocks everywhere know it's still today.
In practice you ha
On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On 2010.11.9 9:31 AM, Joshua Juran wrote:
Dual-booting OS 9 and OS X demonstrates OS X using local time as
well. I
don't know what happens on Macs that can't boot classic Mac OS.
I can assure you OS X is using a UTC clock.
Of course i
On 2010.11.9 12:52 PM, Chris Devers wrote:
> How much of this stuff is, in practice, an actual problem for a system that
> is, as all systems should, synchronizing the clock over NTP?
In the time between boot and the network coming up and sync you will get
offset timestamps. Log messages, file mo
It's a desktop, it's closer to a VCR or a microwave than a mail server. If
it was properly implemented it would store filesystem timestamps in UTC by
converting from the system clock using the timezone. Is there an RFC that
says whether email times are allowed to include leap seconds, because
oth
Maybe I'm stupid, but I just use network time & be done with it.
I recently installed Ubuntu in VMware on my Macbook, and the setup process
asked if the hardware clock is set to local or UTC time. I had no idea (a)
what the physical hardware clock on a Mac is set to (no GUI or plist or
sysctl or o
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:53:14 -0500, david.mackint...@xdroop.com wrote:
> You know how when you forward or reply to an Exchange message, the
> message body frequently doesn't carry forward the email addresses
> that your client knows about? You get a useless "header" like this:
Best cases are whe
On 2010.11.9 9:31 AM, Joshua Juran wrote:
> Dual-booting OS 9 and OS X demonstrates OS X using local time as well. I
> don't know what happens on Macs that can't boot classic Mac OS.
I can assure you OS X is using a UTC clock. What you're likely seeing is OS 9
setting the system clock to localti
On 9 November 2010 16:53, wrote:
> You know how when you forward or reply
Ah.. Ive heard enough
There seems to be a law of the universe that all email clients are in
some way or another hateful, the hate can merely be moved around, not
completely eliminated.
Yves
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On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:45:07PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:26:57PM +, Tony Finch wrote:
>
> >Who needs
> >timezones anyway?
>
> Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus change
> it twice a year in most places - rather than simply le
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 09:31:52AM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote:
> Dual-booting OS 9 and OS X demonstrates OS X using local time as
> well. I don't know what happens on Macs that can't boot classic Mac
> OS.
There are of course many hateful things about OS X, but it does
generally keep its internal
On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:26:57PM +, Tony Finch wrote:
Who needs
timezones anyway?
Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus
change
it twice a year in most places - rather than simply leaving it on
gmtime and
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Roger Burton West wrote:
>
> Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus change
> it twice a year in most places - rather than simply leaving it on
> gmtime and converting in-OS (i.e. the Unix or "correct" way)?
Dunno.
One of my colleagues has a new Exchan
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:26:57PM +, Tony Finch wrote:
>Who needs
>timezones anyway?
Doesn't MS still set the machine's clock to localtime - and thus change
it twice a year in most places - rather than simply leaving it on
gmtime and converting in-OS (i.e. the Unix or "correct" way)?
(I sti
> AFAIK gmail ignores dots in local parts, so you own both.
>
Verified. I just logged in as fr.ioux
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fREW Schmidt
http://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Jonathan J. M. Katz wrote:
>
> gmail can't consistently tell the difference between
> jonathan.k...@gmail.com and jonathank...@gmail.com.
> (I own the former, not the latter.)
AFAIK gmail ignores dots in local parts, so you own both.
Tony.
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f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Joshua Rodman
wrote:
And then of course, the client autocompletes names as the primary behavior
when setting up receipients, so each Larry is always receiving email
intended for the others. If they're anything like me, they just delete
them.
I have a mildly co
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 05:00:09PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:53, wrote:
> > In this case, my, Larry, and Curly's addresses are hidden here
> > because my outlook has them listed in one of my Address books (or the
> > GAL) with a "Display As" value.
> >
> > ...which i
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:53, wrote:
You know how when you forward or reply to an Exchange message, the
message body frequently doesn't carry forward the email addresses
that your client knows about? You get a useless "header" like this:
From: Matt McUser [mailto:mmu...@someplace.com]
Sent: W
You know how when you forward or reply to an Exchange message, the
message body frequently doesn't carry forward the email addresses
that your client knows about? You get a useless "header" like this:
From: Matt McUser [mailto:mmu...@someplace.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:08 AM
To:
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