Re: Signatures

2008-02-21 Thread Phil Pennock
And it looks like they still expect inline signatures instead of MIME-based PGP sigs. *shrug* On the bright side again, they were able to set up IPv6-only NS glue for one of my NS records, so I have an IPv6-only delegation path for my domains. On the dark side, the online tools couldn't qui

Re: Signatures

2008-02-21 Thread Michael G Schwern
ents. This is why signatures on important documents have witnesses, so that there are disinterested third parties who can stand up in court to say what actually happened. I know, let's prop up an insecure, inefficient system which invites fraud and forgeries with lots of laws and courts

Re: Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread Michael Leuchtenburg
Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: >> And if you can't tell whether a bunch of bits is a scanned-in >> handwritten signature or not, you might as well not include that bunch >> of bits in the file since it's not adding any semantics. > > This is why I have always wondered how faxing a signed document was >

Re: Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread Tony Finch
en documents. This is why signatures on important documents have witnesses, so that there are disinterested third parties who can stand up in court to say what actually happened. The question then becomes one of what is the digital equivalent of a human witness, but since software sucks you aren

Re: Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
> Ah, but how can you tell from a bunch of pixels on the screen/a bunch > of bits in a PDF file whether they're the result of scanning in a > handwritten signature that shows from a signer giving his assent, or > whether they're the result of someone having fun with their graphics > tablet and Phot

Re: Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread Philip Newton
ter > > doesn't have the technology to forge a handwritten signature. > > Handwritten signatures are a record of the assent of the signer. Ah, but how can you tell from a bunch of pixels on the screen/a bunch of bits in a PDF file whether they're the result of scanning in a

Re: Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Michael G Schwern wrote: > It's not like we haven't had have secure, cheap digital signature technology > for decades now. It's not like everyone with a PC, scanner and printer > doesn't have the technology to forge a handwritten signature.

Re: Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 20 Feb 2008, at 10:28, num...@deathwyrm.com wrote: Michael G Schwern wrote: It's not like we haven't had have secure, cheap digital signature technology for decades now. It's not like everyone with a PC, scanner and printer doesn't have the technology to forge a handwritten signature.

Re: Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread numien
Michael G Schwern wrote: It's not like we haven't had have secure, cheap digital signature technology for decades now. It's not like everyone with a PC, scanner and printer doesn't have the technology to forge a handwritten signature. Especially a DIGITAL handwritten signature. Scanner + phot

Signatures

2008-02-20 Thread Michael G Schwern
I hate that it's 2008 and we're still signing documents with a pen. Let me explain. I'm working out the final details of a contract which involves signing a very simple NDA. The code is all public so the NDA is a mere formality. They took a PDF and printed it. Then they signed it. Then th