On 2007-03-20 at 01:07 -0700, Patrick Quinn-Graham wrote:
>
> On 19-Mar-07, at 8:31 PM, Phil Pennock wrote:
> >So Safari doesn't use IPv6 for http: _unless_ you do "something
> >fancy",
> >with the cut-over being somewhere along the authentication line (does
> >Basic cut it? I don't know).
>
>
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:51:57AM +, Smylers wrote:
> A. Pagaltzis writes:
>
> > With 2.x, I have to use either Ctrl-W or Alt-F4, depending on whether
> > I'm looking at a window with several tabs or just one -- as long as I
> > enable "Always show the tab bar." If I turn it off, then Ctrl-W
On 19-Mar-07, at 8:31 PM, Phil Pennock wrote:
So Safari doesn't use IPv6 for http: _unless_ you do "something
fancy",
with the cut-over being somewhere along the authentication line (does
Basic cut it? I don't know).
My (admittedly limited) tasting tends to imply that this is not true.
I
On 2007-03-15 at 23:39 -0700, Phil Pennock wrote:
> Safari's nice, but I avoided it for not having tabs; fortunately, I was
> just being blind. Safari might be my new standard Mac browser, now that
> I've noticed that there's an option to enable use of tabbed browsing.
> Even nicer after you get a
* Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16T17:39:36]
> be easily answerable by opening up the "Key Caps" or "Keyboard Viewer"
> application which lived with all the others. Now its...
>
> * [ many hateful steps ]
>
> What a mess. Fortunately the recently maligned Applescript offers a way out.
> http://ww
On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
And make it accessable only via the International Preferences menu
with the
actual app hidden in, are you ready?
/System/Library/Components/KeyboardViewer.component/Contents/
SharedSupport/KeyboardViewerServer.app
Ah, so if you make an al
On Mar 16, 2007, at 5:44 PM, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
Ctrl+w should behave as the tab bar's close button already
does, and as Ctrl+F4 already does, and as right click on tab
-> "Close tab" already does. Ctrl+W and File->Close Tab
should be consistent with every other tab-closing method, and
close the
* Robert Rothenberg [2007-03-17 00:35]:
> I found this in the Mozilla Wiki on the change:
>
> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Ctrl_W_not_close_app
>
> > Proposed change
> >
> > Ctrl+w should behave as the tab bar's close button already
> > does, and as Ctrl+F4 already does, and as right click on tab
I found this in the Mozilla Wiki on the change:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Ctrl_W_not_close_app
> Proposed change
>
> Ctrl+w should behave as the tab bar's close button already does, and as
> Ctrl+F4 already does, and as right click on tab -> "Close tab" already
> does. Ctrl+W and File->Close Ta
Peter da Silva wrote:
>> Why they hid this in "Keyboard Shortcuts" I have no idea.
>
> Every release of OS X has hidden more stuff in really fucked up places
> in Preferences.
Speaking of hiding stuff, whomever decided in 10.3 that it would be a great
idea to turn the simple "Keyboard Viewer" and
* Robert Rothenberg [2007-03-16 17:00]:
> On 15/03/07 22:53 A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> > What dimwit ever thought that conflating these options in a
> > single preference in this manner was a sane thing to do!? It
> > took me AGES to realise why the damn Ctrl-W shortcut no
> > longer worked as I expect
On 15/03/07 22:53 A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> What dimwit ever thought that conflating these options in a
> single preference in this manner was a sane thing to do!? It took
> me AGES to realise why the damn Ctrl-W shortcut no longer worked
> as I expected it to. Googling for close to two hours or so in
On Mar 16, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
That's a Mac thing, Firefox is just behaving like a native app. You
can
change this behavior system wide. I discovered that there's an option
hidden
in System Preferences -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts for "In
windows and dialog
On Mar 15, 2007, at 11:57 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Casual users don't click to bring a tab to the front and accidentally
hit the
close button that's taking up 1/4 of the tab they're clicking on?
I'm not a "casual user", I don't think, and I use Camino - I haven't
tried out the new Firefox
Michael G Schwern wrote:
Martin Ebourne wrote:
Well, you're right for you I presume, but definitely not right for
everyone.
Can't we all just hate everyone?
Hey, this list is for hating software, not people. Maybe a
hates-people list would be too scary.
Windows on the desktop tend to b
A. Pagaltzis writes:
> * Abigail [2007-03-16 01:55]:
>
> > On the boxes I do use Firefox, I have it disappear under me so many
> > times after using Ctrl-W just trying to erase the current URL.
>
> Funnily enough, that happens to me with Gaim chat windows,
I've somehow managed to get both Fire
A. Pagaltzis writes:
> With 2.x, I have to use either Ctrl-W or Alt-F4, depending on whether
> I'm looking at a window with several tabs or just one -- as long as I
> enable "Always show the tab bar." If I turn it off, then Ctrl-W does
> what I want. (So after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I
Martin Ebourne writes:
> On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 17:19 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>
> > Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a tiny
> > little "close" button on a tiny little tab is? X-Chat Aqua used to
> > do this but they sensible took it out. Firefox used to do thi
A. Pagaltzis writes:
> I think there even was an unclose-tab function somewhere, but it's
> well hidden; I only stumbled onto it accidentally and now I can't
> remember or rediscover what obscure gesture invokes it.
Ctrl+Shift+T opens the most recently closed tab (and you can do it a few
times to
Martin Ebourne wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 17:19 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>> Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a tiny little
>> "close" button on a tiny little tab is? X-Chat Aqua used to do this but they
>> sensible took it out. Firefox used to do this but th
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 17:19 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a tiny little
> "close" button on a tiny little tab is? X-Chat Aqua used to do this but they
> sensible took it out. Firefox used to do this but they unsensibly put it back
>
On 2007-03-15 at 23:58 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> That's a Mac thing, Firefox is just behaving like a native app. You can
> change this behavior system wide. I discovered that there's an option hidden
> in System Preferences -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts for "In
> windows and d
Phil Pennock wrote:
> Camino's nice. Having tab (the key) take you to buttons (not just text*
> input fields), as Firefox does on every other platform, is pretty
> essential for keeping my frustration levels down as all my keyboard
> navigation habits get blown away.
That's a Mac thing, Firefox i
On 2007-03-15 at 18:50 -0500, Jeremy Weathers wrote:
> It doesn't help you, but the OS X version handles this correctly.
Are you sure?
Uncheck "Hide tab bar when only one tab is open".
Watch as closing the last tab causes a flicker as it reopens
"(Untitled)", the blank URL. The "Prevent last tab
On 2007-03-16 at 01:48 +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> Since then, the basic Firefox tabbing has always worked well
> enough for me.
>
> Guess that's no longer true. *snarl*
Copy your prefs.js from the profile directory.
Install Tab Mix Plus.
Tinker to get things working.
Copy the new prefs.js
Unins
On 2007-03-16 at 01:36 +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 01:20]:
> > Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a
> > tiny little "close" button on a tiny little tab is?
Firefox is not always the most responsive of applications. Sometimes I
don't know
A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 01:20]:
>> Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a
>> tiny little "close" button on a tiny little tab is?
>
> It's actually a preferrable UI style for casual users. The two
> styles have very different affordances.
Casu
Joe Mahoney wrote:
> I much prefer the "button on the tab" implementation. Now you don't
> have to click on the tab, then move your mouse over to the close
> button. I rarely accidentally close the wrong tab in Firefox 2, but I
> did it much more often in 1.x
Hit (ctrl|apple)-w. We don't need no
On 3/15/07, jrod...@hate.spamportal.net wrote:
Personally, I find this extension worth the price of admission to
prevent Backspace (the erase-previous-charachter key) from changing to
the previously accessed web page. "
Ahh, the memories! Searching for a way to disable that Backspace key
miser
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:23:31AM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * jrod...@hate.spamportal.net [2007-03-16
> 01:10]:
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> > > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented
> > > behaviour that the close-tab button always had
>
* Abigail [2007-03-16 01:55]:
> On the boxes I do use Firefox, I have it disappear under me so
> many times after using Ctrl-W just trying to erase the current
> URL.
Funnily enough, that happens to me with Gaim chat windows, but
never with Firefox. (I also keep hitting Ctrl-Z to undo my last
tex
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:23:31AM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * jrod...@hate.spamportal.net [2007-03-16
> 01:10]:
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> > > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented
> > > behaviour that the close-tab button always had
>
* Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 00:15]:
> I'd never noticed this behavior before, and I tried it out and
> it wasn't how my Firefox works. Turns out to be a side-effect
> of the wonderful Tab Mix Plus add-on which has many wonderful
> benefits.
>
> While on the subject of tabs, I'd also recommen
* Michael G Schwern [2007-03-16 01:20]:
> Speaking of tabs, can I say what a horribly bad idea putting a
> tiny little "close" button on a tiny little tab is?
It's actually a preferrable UI style for casual users. The two
styles have very different affordances.
That said, I made a beeline for th
On 3/16/07, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Its like putting a "self destruct" button on the right hand side of all the
tables in your house. Carelessly put a cup down in the wrong spot and *boop*!
Your table and cup disappear! And the best part is, there's no undo!
(something else Tab Mix Plus fix
* jrod...@hate.spamportal.net [2007-03-16 01:10]:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> > That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented
> > behaviour that the close-tab button always had
>
> I'm not sure if you want CTRL-W to do this. I don't. That is,
> to my
Jeremy Weathers wrote:
>> That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour
>> that the close-tab button always had: when there's only one tab
>> left, Ctrl-W closes the tab AND THEN OPENS A NEW ONE WITH THE
>> HOMEPAGE!! RHHH! DIE!! Die, dammit, and get outta my face!
>> Really,
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:31PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour
> that the close-tab button always had
I'm not sure if you want CTRL-W to do this. I don't. That is, to my
mind CTRL-W is close window, not close tab. If that somehow
That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour
that the close-tab button always had: when there's only one tab
left, Ctrl-W closes the tab AND THEN OPENS A NEW ONE WITH THE
HOMEPAGE!! RHHH! DIE!! Die, dammit, and get outta my face!
Really, it's very hard to excite me past my
A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> Except that in Firefox 2, "Always show the tab bar" apparently
> means "even if you have to rescue the browser window from
> destruction to ensure that the tab bar can continue to shine in
> all its glory."
>
> That is, the Ctrl-W shortcut now has the same demented behaviour
Alternative title:
How to turn what Works As Expected into an aggravation
So we all know that Firefox brought tabbing to the masses, right?
And users love it, or so we're told. Well, it's not a lie; for
the most part, I don't hate it. Or at least until a few months
ago, I found no reason to.
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