Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-29 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > > Apple started from scratch for the iPhone, and given the above > there clearly was good reason. I wonder if they can bring > themselves to now start over with MacOS X too... They could steal a few UI ideas from RISC OS. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.fin

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-25 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2009-12-24, at 20:36, david.mackint...@xdroop.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 04:20:02PM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: If you don't like it, there's an API to plug in your own. Ah, and there it is -- the wonderful attitude that has been the genesis of the steaming mountain of "software"

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-25 Thread David . Mackintosh
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 04:20:02PM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: > If you don't like it, there's an API to > plug in your own. Ah, and there it is -- the wonderful attitude that has been the genesis of the steaming mountain of "software" with which we deal every day: If you don't like it, write

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-24 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2009-12-23, at 18:47, Joshua Juran wrote: Free Unix distributions don't depend on applications. Whereas in Mail I can browse a mailbox, view a message, compose a message, send, receive, and review my previous recipients, in Unix these functions could each be implemented by a different p

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-24 Thread Joshua Juran
On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Chris Devers [2009-12-23 20:25]: The problem, of course, is that Spaces fucks this up royally, as it seems to take a drunken, blindfolded dartboard approach to window management that is best used with grim resignation and willingness to

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-23 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Chris Devers [2009-12-23 20:25]: > The problem, of course, is that Spaces fucks this up royally, > as it seems to take a drunken, blindfolded dartboard approach > to window management that is best used with grim resignation > and willingness to accept such mere considerations as window > focus a

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-23 Thread Chris Devers
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Peter da Silva wrote: > On 2009-12-22, at 21:40, Chris Devers wrote: >> >> Now if you want to go make up your own moon-rules definition for what >> an "application" is and what should be expected of it, that's up to >> you. > > How about this "moon rule"? If you're

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-23 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2009-12-22, at 21:40, Chris Devers wrote: Now if you want to go make up your own moon-rules definition for what an "application" is and what should be expected of it, that's up to you. How about this "moon rule"? If you're a document-based application, when someone closes a document window

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-23 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Joshua Rodman wrote: > > As useful as this whole 'the application has focus" idea, there's > several problems. > > 1 - The finder is not an application. Stop right there, I've found the problem. The FInder absolutely *is* an application. It has an icon in the D

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-23 Thread Joshua Rodman
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 09:19:09PM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote: > iChat, I hate you. > > It's fine for you to get my attention that someone has requested to chat > with me. But whatever you do, DO NOT STEAL FOCUS. > > You may have thought you were in the clear by using translucent overlay > window

Re: iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-20 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2009-12-18, at 23:19, Joshua Juran wrote: iChat, I hate you. It's fine for you to get my attention that someone has requested to chat with me. But whatever you do, DO NOT STEAL FOCUS. Finder steals focus, too, when it runs folder actions. And I have a folder action on my download folde

iChat stealing focus across Spaces

2009-12-19 Thread Joshua Juran
iChat, I hate you. It's fine for you to get my attention that someone has requested to chat with me. But whatever you do, DO NOT STEAL FOCUS. You may have thought you were in the clear by using translucent overlay windows that don't capture input. Well, you were wrong. Because it's not