Re: [Heb-NACO] BFM: גפרית

2022-02-08 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Thanks, Yossi. The NAR was revised this morning: 010 n 98032977 ǂz no 99057604 040 DLC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc DLC ǂd DLC ǂd OCoLC ǂd DLC ǂd PU-HC 046 ǂf 1935 ǂ2 edtf 1001 Gofrit, Hannah, ǂd 1935- 370 Biała Rawska (Poland) ǂe Tel Aviv (Israel) ǂ2 naf 372 Public health nursing ǂ2 lcsh 374 Nurses ǂ

Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
The email chain below has combined different issues. דרמתי, as Yossi wrote, is of Greek/Latin origin and is romanized following HCM-RDA instructions on foreign loan words, p.17: “In the case of foreign loan words of Latin or Greek origin, Alcalay should not be followed, and an initial consonant

Re: [Heb-NACO] BFM: גפרית

2022-02-08 Thread Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco
That is weird. Why do they do that? They should be correcting LC. Where's the Israeli pride? On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > The correct romanized form for חנה גפרית should be Gofrit > > See VIAF > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://

Re: [Heb-NACO] BFM: גפרית

2022-02-08 Thread Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco
The correct romanized form for חנה גפרית should be Gofrit See VIAF http://viaf.org/viaf/6706417 The policy of the National Library in Jerusalem is to follow the romanized form of Library of Congress (also if it is wrong). The Hebrew form of her name in Hebrew script is: גופרית See: https://viaf

Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco
I agree with Barry – it should be Kelokelim and not Keloklim or Kloklim. It is a Hebrew word. It is not the same as Dramati (that is a non-Hebrew word) From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco Sent: Monday, February 07, 2022 11:48 PM To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authori

Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Thank you, Barry, this is very helpful. Applying this rule, then, to the word הולך: there’s a tsere under the lamed and the plural הולכים is romanized holkhim, not holekhim. Thanks again, Jasmin From: Barry Dov Walfish Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 11:48 PM To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name

Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Thank you, Jerry Anne, for the great explanation. Yes, it probably applies to the pronunciation but not to the romanization – for better and worse… Kol tuv, Jasmin From: Dickel, Geraldine Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:45 AM To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Subject: Re:

Re: [Heb-NACO] BFM: גפרית

2022-02-08 Thread Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Thanks, Lenore, for bringing this NAR to our attention. I’ll update it to RDA and revise accordingly. Thanks again, Jasmin From: Bell, Lenore Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 10:00 AM To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Cc: n...@loc.gov Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] BFM: גפרית Than

Re: [Heb-NACO] BFM: גפרית

2022-02-08 Thread Bell, Lenore via Heb-naco
Thank you, Jasmin, for pointing out this romanization issue. I am wondering if there should be reconsideration of the NAR for Gafrit, Ḥanah, 1935- https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lccn.loc.gov/n98032977?__;!!KGKeukY!iLj5sFoDeLCZKv8gEUxdXwp4hnoySEDPSZEXbJoAu3H_k70oGPYQhbz1ZTMhedIi1t43$ Many

Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco
Hi Jasmin, I totally agree: sheva merahef, Keloklim (with the under-dots), as it is more coherent with the rules. The alternative looks frankly absurd in my eyes, really deramati 😊 Looking forward to seeing you all Thursday/ Neil From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-nac

Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Dickel, Geraldine via Heb-naco
Hi Jasmin, In biblical Hebrew grammar, the sheva under the second kof would be a vocal sheva. Because a vav holem is a long vowel, the syllable kof vav holem is an open syllable so the second kof is the beginning of the next syllable and therefore the sheva is a vocal sheva. I don’t know if t

Re: [Heb-NACO] ‏ קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Haim Levy via Heb-naco
המילה היא ריבוי של קְלוֹקֵל - קְלוֹקְלִים כך אצל אבן שושן וברב מילים מצורף צילום מאבן שושן מאת: ‏‏Heb-naco בשם Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco ‏‏נשלח: יום שלישי 08 פברואר 2022 01:00 ‏‏אל: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ‏‏נושא: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים Hi, all, The

Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

2022-02-08 Thread Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco
Hi, Jasmin, The rule seems to be that if in the singular base word the letter in question has a vowel underneath it, then, in the plural the sheva is a sheva na. So, since the sing. is kelokel, with tsere under the kof, then the plural should be kelokelim. See: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://