RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Napier, Kevin
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Probably more an issue of deploying one solution\architecture and then having the business flipflop and tack on all sorts of new requirements that don't fit the original design or not.. Since we dont work there, and I'm sure nobody there will d

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
Makes you wonder who's dumb idea it was not to run a proper authentication scheme in the first instance and who at Valve is going "I told you so, the damn fools never listen to me and now look at the mess we are in" ??? On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:02:11 -0500, Napier, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Napier, Kevin
What ever the reasons the silence has always been interesting. Oddly enough the coders list seems to be fairly active with responses by Valve employees. I know thier reading all this which makes it all the more humorous. You just know there all giggling and screaming for us to stfu. -Orig

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce \"Bahamut\" Andrews
The silence isn't the slightest bit bizzare, it's just a repeat of the past. Remember when they missed the HL2 deadline of September, and the article that explained how embarrassed and stuff Gabe was? Seems to be just repeating past mistakes, embarrassed that their system was cracked but unwillin

RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Napier, Kevin
I'm not trying to diss valve really but the only thing that would over complicate things would be a bad design from the get go that they would have to patch or build around, even then it's quite doable, though may not be as straight forward as it seems at first glance. Look we all have to under

RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Napier, Kevin
lol.. I did I moved on to playing and running BF:DC on all but one box. :--) However trying for a big boycot type thing like those "dont buy gas this tuesday" crap is utterly pointless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent:

[hlds] Admins, share your inside info!

2004-12-15 Thread ironchef
Hey folks, There seems to be a large number of threads coming up on the lists asking some legitimate questions and getting overlooked by Valve staff, such as the state/progress of VAC and getting rid of all the no-steam hacks. The threads are full of speculation, but some of you have hinted that y

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
You are all familiar with the expression "The wheels have fallen off" ?? In this case it appears the wheels were never put on, in fact I don't think wheels were even a design consideration even though wheels were the main enabler of the technology in the first place! On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:27:00

RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread J Marcus
I don't buy that...There is no reason they can't comment on this one way or another. IMO that is what this forum is for. I think enough people have legitimate concerns and they should acknowledge that. I mean we have put up with a lot of shit running dedicated servers over the past few years. I thi

RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Alex Herlan
All I would like, is for one employee to post here (IN THE OFFICAL MAILLING LIST) to comfort us.. all I want to hear is "Yes, we are working to fix this problem".. I don’t want deadlines, I don’t want estimates, I don’t want details, I just want to know that they are not idiots with poor public re

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
>They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam accounts. >The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does >not check if the user owns the game he is playing. This probably needs >big changes in the way the clients obtain authentication data that is >se

RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Darren J. Mason
Everyone calm down a minute and think about the overall scope of things. Valve is known for creating at least one, if not several of the most awesome games we have ever played. Development has ALWAYS been plagued by missed deadlines, stolen code, and more missed deadlines. Should a new authenticat

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Maarten van der Zwaart
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their STEAM_ID system? Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID d

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
Can anybody tell us how NOSTEAM works? Because so far nobody has been able to punch holes in the methodologies many of us have suggested here to stop a hack like NOSTEAM working at all! On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:41:07 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW if the problem is that Valve do n

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
BTW if the problem is that Valve do not want to use servers to pass along the information then why not then only use the Content Providers who I think are well and truly vetted before they are allowed to be STEAM Content Providers AND more or less rule 99.9% of wannabe's out when the questi

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Moretti (blueyonder)
Whisper wrote: Well the thing is, your STEAM_ID is connected to your Login. Suipposedly you cannot create (RDRR many lols) a STEAM Login without a valid CD Key Thats how integrity is supposed to be maintained to allow people to login on any computer. Indeed - hence the reason I suggest checking

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
Well the thing is, your STEAM_ID is connected to your Login. Suipposedly you cannot create (RDRR many lols) a STEAM Login without a valid CD Key Thats how integrity is supposed to be maintained to allow people to login on any computer. As most of you are well aware, this is really stupidly basic

Re: [hlds] Cs 1.6 non steam under Linux dedicated server

2004-12-15 Thread List Keeper
Right, but you should be emailing hlds_linux and not hlds list. - Original Message - From: "Armin Ranjbar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 08:30 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Cs 1.6 non steam under Linux dedicated server > On Chahar shanbe 25 Azar

[hlds] Re: [hlds]tking in c:source

2004-12-15 Thread LiQuiDXAN3X
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] doe any one know if there is a version of the mod atac for cs:source . to control tking, i love playing with friendly fire but you cant because of the tking. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list pref

Re: Re: [hlds] When will the \"nosteam\" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread bst2123
I've been twisting my brain for some time now, to figure out what possible technical problems are in the way or fixing this, and I still have no answer. I must have been going over the problem ten times, and every time I come to the same conclusion; it’s easy to fix, and should have been done r

Re: [hlds] Cs 1.6 non steam under Linux dedicated server

2004-12-15 Thread Armin Ranjbar
On Chahar shanbe 25 Azar 1383 16:57, Marcelo de Paula Bezerra Wrote: > It is an old won hlds binary that won't work. so let me see if can can understand it right ; 1 > there is no way to run half life dedicated server on linux without steam 2 > we cant use steam dedicated server on linux without

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Moretti (blueyonder)
BoNfiRe wrote: Probbably because of the scale involved in doing this. How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many. Nah. You're only talking about 2.5 million records really. (2.3 million unique users per month http://www.steampowered.com/status/status.html) Even a desktop database like Micr

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
Thats my point, the amount of records we are talking about is not that large when you have worked with decent sized databases. I guess you have: Account Name Contact E-mail Password Secret Question Secret Answer CD-Key STEAM_ID So about 7 basic fields per user and I guess you would have times an

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread BoNfiRe
Probbably because of the scale involved in doing this. How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many. - Original Message - From: "Whisper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? Can

Re: [hlds] Cs 1.6 non steam under Linux dedicated server

2004-12-15 Thread Marcelo de Paula Bezerra
It is an old won hlds binary that won't work. On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 16:05 +0330, Armin Ranjbar wrote: > On Chahar shanbe 25 Azar 1383 14:51, Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews Wrote: > > No, you may not run any servers that do not operate on steam. > > > > - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews > > > err > so what a

Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?

2004-12-15 Thread Whisper
Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their STEAM_ID system? Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID database? Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Us

Re: [hlds] Cs 1.6 non steam under Linux dedicated server

2004-12-15 Thread Armin Ranjbar
On Chahar shanbe 25 Azar 1383 14:51, Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews Wrote: > No, you may not run any servers that do not operate on steam. > > - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews err so what about Half-Life Dedicated Server v3.1.1.1 , it is not steam but it is the server , isn't ? -- Any clod can have the f

Re: [hlds] Cs 1.6 non steam under Linux dedicated server

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce \"Bahamut\" Andrews
No, you may not run any servers that do not operate on steam. - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews Armin Ranjbar wrote: hi guys , is this possible to run cs 1.6 Linux dedicated non steam server ( what a long name! ) ? -- Why does New Jersey have more toxic waste dumps and California have more lawyers? New Je

[hlds] Cs 1.6 non steam under Linux dedicated server

2004-12-15 Thread Armin Ranjbar
hi guys , is this possible to run cs 1.6 Linux dedicated non steam server ( what a long name! ) ? -- Why does New Jersey have more toxic waste dumps and California have more lawyers? New Jersey had first choice. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list pre