Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it interesting. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 To: ; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
Yes they are. It only took me a couple minutes to rattle it off (big thumbs = repetitive Deletes...;) Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Cc2iscooL Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:13:04 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Su

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Cc2iscooL
Eeew :P On 4/29/09, Robert Whelan wrote: > Dingleberries pwn all :p > > > > > > From: Cc2iscooL > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:13:04 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > Blackberr

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Robert Whelan
Dingleberries pwn all :p From: Cc2iscooL To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:13:04 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Blackberries are easy to type on :) On 4/29/09, msleeper wrote: > Did it ta

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Cc2iscooL
Blackberries are easy to type on :) On 4/29/09, msleeper wrote: > Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile > device? > > Sent from my PC like a normal human being > > > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: >> Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read

Re: [hlds] L4D servers sitting empty for ages, restart and fill instantly?

2009-04-29 Thread Surplus Power Admin
There was already a plugin to workaround this issue, but I had made a new one before I noticed. You can find mine on the second page of this thread: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=90791 On the first page is basically the same thing done a different way. Mine does provide a variabl

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Robert Whelan
Dunno about that, my client machine runs RAID10 with 4 1TB drives: Intel® Core™ i7-965 Extreme Quad Core w/ HT (8MB, 45nm, 3.2GHz O/C'd to 3.73GHz) 6GB Corsair Dominator Tri-Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ (3x2GB DIMM) Intel X58 Extreme DX58SO SLI®-based Motherboard Dual nVidia® GeForce® GTX 280 – 1024MB

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread msleeper
Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: > Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored > (ex146GB) array. > > > Sent from my Blac

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject:

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID1

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Philip Bembridge
This is a strange one that I just got: L 04/29/2009 - 22:43:27: "XBullitt68<310>" disconnected (reason "Disconnect by user.") L 04/29/2009 - 22:43:37: World triggered "" (Infected "0") (Survivor "0") L 04/29/2009 - 22:43:37: Team "Infected" scored "0" with "1" players L 04/29/2009 - 22:43:37: Team

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Jake E
Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL wrote: > What kin

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Cc2iscooL
What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E wrote: > Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic "RESTORE" > Button (that's what it is in my case...) > > As for the person who said: > > "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small > writes/read" > > I recently bo

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
Expensive, as in the minumum amount of disks required for a RAID10 array and expensive as in the end disk capacity. I would not touch and RAID card that was $10 as it is, more than likey, gonna fail on rebuild, impact your server performance as it is offloading all commands to system processors

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
Indeed. Unplug drive, plug in drive. Drive rebuilds from exisiting parity/mirror. All of 10 seconds if your slow...;) Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:08:47 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 serve

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Jake E
Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic "RESTORE" Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read" I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that pol

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Cc2iscooL
Depends on the controller really. Some are as easy as putting in the new hdd and hitting a button, but they're expensive. On 4/29/09, msleeper wrote: > Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. > > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: >> But that's too much work fo

Re: [hlds] Possible "Quick Connect" button?

2009-04-29 Thread Saint K.
We've released the online tool at http://www.specialattack.net/spa_tf2_game_menu_generator Please notice it's still in development and suggestions are welcome. One of the things we're still going to add is the option to remember your profile. Cheers, P.s. Read the little manual posted with it an

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread msleeper
Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: > But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. > > On 4/29/09, msleeper wrote: > > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard > > drive dies? Pay you

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Cc2iscooL
But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper wrote: > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard > drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. > It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. > > On Wed, 2009

Re: [hlds] L4D servers sitting empty for ages, restart and fill instantly?

2009-04-29 Thread Surplus Power Admin
From a quick look at it, it seems very possible. As I understand it, once it reaches the set time (default is 5 AM), it checks every 5 minutes to see if the server is ready (ie. empty or filled with bots) to restart. The way its set up, most of the code is already there; you might need a varia

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Andrew Armstrong
This may be a symptom of the problem, but I notice (as of right now) two of our populated servers are reporting 3/4 players (numplayers = 2, maxplayers = 4) through a query response. However, the player list portion of the query response lists (confrication, Zoey, Louis, Raven) - There's two bot n

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Yaakov Smith
I think they finally learnt - that's why there's now a CS1.6 beta -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Munra Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2009 7:56 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Aaron Rapp
It sounded to me that they genuinely didn't know about this bug at all until a couple days ago. He stated that they hadn't found this bug in their testing, and had asked us for server logs showing the servers going into this "bot hibernation" state. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: h

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread msleeper
And here we go. It's the TF2 mapchange bug all over again! Where's Karl? These kids need some schooling on how to properly repeat the same problem daily. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 17:56 -0400, Munra wrote: > It be nicer If they did some testing before releasing Don't you think? > > - Original Me

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Munra
It be nicer If they did some testing before releasing Don't you think? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Rapp" To: "'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation >I know this is being looked int

Re: [hlds] L4D servers sitting empty for ages, restart and fill instantly?

2009-04-29 Thread Philip Bembridge
I'm a bit of a noob with sourcemod plugins, is it possible to modify this to check every five minutes: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=87291 and change map, not restart? This would fix this issue (well kinda...) Cheers, Phil ___ To unsubs

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Aaron Rapp
I know this is being looked into at Valve. There's no ETA yet, though. They've procured some server logs from a couple people on the list. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: W

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Cc2iscooL
Agreed. I took Sourcemod off my servers because I thought it might have been causing issues. Even on vanilla servers it does this. Fix pl0x. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Johan Andersson wrote: > Bumping this issue to the top because it's very annoying. > > It happens every few hours now. >

Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hibernation

2009-04-29 Thread Johan Andersson
Bumping this issue to the top because it's very annoying. It happens every few hours now. -- From: "-xL-Trinidad" Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:31 PM To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Subject: Re: [hlds] L4D bots after hiberna

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread msleeper
Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: > Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would d

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Robert Whelan
Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: "xt...@shaw.ca" To: xt...@shaw.

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/3

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread xtenz
IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes t

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Donnie Newlove
Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average co

Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose

2009-04-29 Thread Jake E
What happened to RAID 6? Noone liked those $3,000 controllers? On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Yaakov Smith wrote: > That's the beauty of RAID5 - you're only in trouble if 2 HDDs fail at once. > If you're worried about that, then that's what RAID10 is for. > > -Original Message- > From: