RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-06 Thread BlkRaven
K. Mike Bradley Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dave I know peeps here will hate me for continuing on with this but this is a forum for issues like this and I must make a point. A Dual Xeon (which is a Pentium 3) does not

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-05 Thread Adam Stasiniewicz
Is this debate still going on? Geez. Adam > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-05 Thread K. Mike Bradley
EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? pff, what does this "Shane Robinett" guy know anyway. Not like he hosts a major server company or knows much about computers anyway. He's probably balding for that matter. -coldfusioN >From: "Shane Robinett&qu

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-05 Thread K. Mike Bradley
I stand corrected. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Holl Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 1:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? To my knowledge all the new Dual Xeons have HyperThreading. I

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-05 Thread K. Mike Bradley
True, P4 is a radical new core. Hey this is all good discussion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:34 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? For

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-05 Thread K. Mike Bradley
Nope, Agent BeNT has a link to Intel. I guess Intel must have made a new core for the latest P3 Xeon's. Show how out of touch I am ... I can't keep up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark duffy Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:17 AM To: [

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? *thwack'ed*

2004-07-04 Thread Napier, Kevin
Ok enough... Time for the THWACK Stick! __ *--- |__| \ /\ / /_\ | |/ |* | | | \/ \/ / \ |__ |\ | o > __ *--- |__| \ /\ / /_\ |

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-04 Thread David Fencik
products/server/processors/server/xeon/index.htm?ii d=ipp_srvr_proc+xeon512kb& Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:34 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-04 Thread Napier, Kevin
e. omfg I can't believe this discussion is still going on. -Original Message- From: Shane Robinett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Mike - if you are going to make up stuff, atle

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread Shane Robinett
> >From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > >Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:18:25 -0400 > > > >Mike - if you are going to make up stuf

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread Philipp G.
p/processors/pentium4HTXE/ Info about XEON = http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/xeon/ - Original Message - From: "Donald Holl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread Shane Robinett
/xeon/ - Original Message - From: "Donald Holl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > To my knowledge all the new Dual Xeons have HyperThreading. > I have multipl

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread Agent|BeNt
I run a dual xeon box and it has htand a xeon is a xeon.This link is from intel's website,imagine that I found some information on a chipset I'm wondering about off the internet!(Note the sarcasim)And from the makers website.Wow this internet thing is great!! http://www.intel.com/products/s

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread Donald Holl
To my knowledge all the new Dual Xeons have HyperThreading. I have multiple Dual Xeon servers to prove it. - Original Message - From: "K. Mike Bradley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Window

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread Jack
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: 03 July 2004 16:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dave I know peeps here will hate me for continuing on with this but this is a forum for issues like this and I must make a point. A Dual Xeon (which is a Penti

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread K. Mike Bradley
D] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I'd like to add that I have said that hlds is not multi-threaded, which is, in fact, false. It is not coded in a way to take advantage of hyperthreading, ho

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-03 Thread K. Mike Bradley
riginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? You clearly dont understand how HT works. Here's a brief overview: HT makes a single CP

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-02 Thread David Fencik
rver would run better on a single proc system with hyperthreading enabled, but don't have the means or desire to test. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subje

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-02 Thread Steven Hartland
You clearly dont understand how HT works. Here's a brief overview: HT makes a single CPU core look like two CPU's it does this so that the OS can schedule additional tasks on the second "virtual" CPU and hence make use of potentially idle execution units in the "physical" CPU. The problem comes fr

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-02 Thread Napier, Kevin
;t talking about MPing results anyway, he was talking about HTing, which does not help hlds at all. -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I am going t

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-07-02 Thread K. Mike Bradley
EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Actually although the game engine starts 4 threads the core engine ISN'T multi-threaded and it highly depends on your setup if HT will help. We've benchmarked it having a detrimental effect in some situations, so please c

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-30 Thread David Fencik
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dude We covered that and it IS multi threaded, (i.e.: there IS more than on thread) plus there are also operating system threads as well. I don't know that much about HT but I do know that being able to r

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-30 Thread Steven Hartland
Actually although the game engine starts 4 threads the core engine ISN'T multi-threaded and it highly depends on your setup if HT will help. We've benchmarked it having a detrimental effect in some situations, so please check your facts before spouting off on one :P Steve / K - Original Me

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-30 Thread K. Mike Bradley
QED -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with it.

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread James Nine
I don't joke. It lags a bit, and is steady though. I'll tar an example kit for you guys. - Original Message - From: "Napier, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Window

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread PilotMan
Check out this FPS http://www.jointopsthegame.com/default.asp It bosts of 150 player servers for the retail and a 100 player server for the demo version. Quoting "Darren J. Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have always been in favor of huge maps and tons of players. I think > Battlefield 1942 has

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread Darren J. Mason
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If this is true it really could change the face of it. Imagine running huge game, with each server running a portion of the map. You could have a map like Manhattan, or Hollywood with hundreds of players. I know crazy

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread K. Mike Bradley
--Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Harwood Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? The game is essentially single threaded, multiple processors/hyperthreading will have minimal

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread K. Mike Bradley
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Harwood Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? No, it will share the work between the virtual CPUs, which in theory will be slightly slower than using a single CPU but most likely un

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread Mike Munoz
! LOL Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: Peter Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If this is true it really could change the face of it. Imagine ru

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread Peter Aldrich
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:23 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? LOL.. you are joking right? -Original Message- From: James Nine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-25 Thread Napier, Kevin
LOL.. you are joking right? -Original Message- From: James Nine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I got a hlds server to work through distributed computing via linux. - Original

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread James Nine
I got a hlds server to work through distributed computing via linux. - Original Message - From: "Rob Harwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > No, it will s

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread Rob Harwood
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: 24 June 2004 20:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Let me offer a better example. If you have hyperthreading on, hlds will be restricted to using

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread David Fencik
hyperthreading. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:23 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? It doesn't always work out that way was

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread David Fencik
Really it doesn't help. Trust me on this one. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dave, When your HLD

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread Napier, Kevin
It doesn't always work out that way was my simple point. -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If you have two processors then two thread

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread Rob Harwood
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: 24 June 2004 18:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... One OS and one APP thread. It's mo better Same I think with HT in

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread K. Mike Bradley
PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for the other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But simply having 5 t

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread DarK
TECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 24 June 2004 17:36 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for the other 2, I've never seen

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread Napier, Kevin
MP or HT neccessarly.) -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dave, When your HLDS.exe is running, Get a process viewer and you will see more tha

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-24 Thread K. Mike Bradley
or so) and HT would still help any box. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-22 Thread David Fencik
Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with it. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-20 Thread Guido
Original Message - > From: "Napier, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:07 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > Yes service pack 4 did address as I recall one tiny issue with HT. &g

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-20 Thread {r$r} || mAlFuNcTiOn /RRCLAN.NET
IL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > Yes service pack 4 did address as I recall one tiny issue with HT. > win2k however does not take advantage of HT reguardless. I think someone > mentioned that it didn't &#

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-20 Thread K. Mike Bradley
al Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:07 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Yes service pack 4 did address as I recall one tiny issue with HT. win2k however does n

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-19 Thread Napier, Kevin
f Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Intel says to disable HT if u run w2k. There are know issues. The code IS not optimized for HT ... HT did not exist when w2k was written. I had problems with my new de

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-19 Thread David Fencik
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Intel says to disable HT if u run w2k. There are know issues. The code IS not optimized for HT ... HT did not exist when w2k was written. I had problems with my new dell server running w2k and Dell told me to disable

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-19 Thread hash
> > as for whoever said xp for win servers, i would like u to send me some of > > that fine jamacian weed you're smoking, cuz im out at the moment. > You have no clue what you are talking about, get your knowledge to a reasonable level, and point out > the facts on which you build your above state

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-19 Thread K. Mike Bradley
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? In Greg's post it didn't state if Win2kPro supported HT. Does it? - Original Message - From: "[YG]Sharza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-19 Thread Guido
In Greg's post it didn't state if Win2kPro supported HT. Does it? - Original Message - From: "[YG]Sharza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: SV: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > nope, 2k does not support hyperthreading > Yes

RE: [hlds] Re: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?]

2004-06-17 Thread K. Mike Bradley
ECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jules (aka Buddha-Pest) Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Re: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?] "Benjamin "Woodie" de Bos" <[EMAIL PROTE

RE: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?]

2004-06-17 Thread K. Mike Bradley
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jules (aka Buddha-Pest) Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?] "Z Teknology HLDS Email&quo

Re: [hlds] Re: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?]

2004-06-17 Thread Benjamin \"Woodie\" de Bos
hlds To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Re: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?] > "Benjamin "Woodie" de Bos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-16 Thread Roc
Thanks much :) Regards - Original Message - From: "K. Mike Bradley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > After you turn off all the crap that comes with 2000 or 200

Re: [hlds] Re: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?]

2004-06-16 Thread Jules \(aka Buddha-Pest\)
"Benjamin "Woodie" de Bos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | that means Per seat licensing | | So you have 5 seats to connect in active directory state | | nothing to do with processes... yes, i understand that it's nothing to do with processes :) i meant, how many con

Re: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?]

2004-06-16 Thread Benjamin \"Woodie\" de Bos
Message - From: "Jules (aka Buddha-Pest)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: mirror.valve.hlds To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?] > "Z Teknology

Windows 2003 and seat requirements? [was Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?]

2004-06-16 Thread Jules \(aka Buddha-Pest\)
"Z Teknology HLDS Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Anybody have experience hosting with win2k or win2k3 and see any big | differences? Going to run 3-4 CS servers on it and a 7 person personal | ventrilo...CPU isn't an issue, just which OS is better, any thought

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-16 Thread K. Mike Bradley
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If cost is NOT an issue would 2003 then be the way to go? I'm asking because I was going to try 2003 and now want to be sure to I'm makin

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-16 Thread K. Mike Bradley
PS: from my last post: Of course if you have a P4 and 2003, HT would only improve things. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread hash
end, so a reinstall gives you another 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Roc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > Thank you Sir > > Regards > - Original M

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread Roc
Thank you Sir Regards - Original Message - From: "Napier, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > 2000 vs 2003 if cost is a non issue use 2003. > As for hlds

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread Guido
sday, June 15, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > 2000 vs 2003 if cost is a non issue use 2003. > As for hlds it really makes very little difference. > > > -Original Message- > From: Roc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 20

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread Steven Hartland
CTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > I think you mean 'making it expensive..' not useless. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multi

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread Napier, Kevin
2000 vs 2003 if cost is a non issue use 2003. As for hlds it really makes very little difference. -Original Message- From: Roc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If cost is NOT an issue

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread Roc
ent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > I think you mean 'making it expensive..' not useless. > > > -Original Message- > From: Steven Hartland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:07 AM &

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread Napier, Kevin
I think you mean 'making it expensive..' not useless. -Original Message- From: Steven Hartland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Not true as far as I know it isn't hyp

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread BeNt
blem built in with 2k.) Hope this helps alittle more. BeNt - Original Message - From: "Steven Hartland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Not true as far as I know it is

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread Steven Hartland
Not true as far as I know it isn't hyperthread "aware" but that doesn't stop u using it. The difference is that the scheduler it will treat the logical CPU's as real CPU's and as we all know this isn't the case. The result is that it "may" not extract as good as performance as a hyperthread aware O

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-15 Thread K. Mike Bradley
iginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Wow, thought 2k did support HT. Is there gonna be anyproblems if i have a HT support processor and m

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Donald Holl
Perhaps it's http://www.proshostudios.com/ from his email address. - Original Message - From: "Guido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 08:57 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > Greg, thanks. Nice

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Ooks Server
I've hosted with Win2000 for a few years, and never once had any problems. Win2003 represents an unknown, and for that reason I'd stick with Win2000 unless you have time to play with it. At my last job they converted a few boxes from Win2000 to Win2003, and started having performance problems with

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Guido
Greg, thanks. Nice company there, you have a site? - Original Message - From: "Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > First off, > > I run a network of

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Greg
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Wow, thought 2k did support HT. Is there gonna be anyproblems if i have a HT support processor and motherboard but no

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Guido
Wow, thought 2k did support HT. Is there gonna be anyproblems if i have a HT support processor and motherboard but not the OS? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread StealthMode
The leased server route frees you up of having to buy the os. I know we're going with 2k3 64 (or were I should say till recent news from VALVe about win64 hlds not being even a thought at this point), through the planet, there is no license to buy. Now we're looking at suse or *nix though, since am

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread hash
like u to send me some of that fine jamacian weed you're smoking, cuz im out at the moment. - Original Message - From: "Donald Holl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Donald Holl
> Wait. Does Win2k Pro support HT? I doubt it. HT wasn't around when Windows 2000 came out so it would seem to make sense that Windows 2003 can take advantage of HT and therefore perform better. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view th

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Guido
Wait. Does Win2k Pro support HT? - Original Message - From: "[YG]Sharza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: SV: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > ok again im gonna say go with 2000 because newer windows these days lake > > actua

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread maat
ok again im gonna say go with 2000 because newer windows these days lake actual cpu and memory to run as where 2000 is so old but still good it really needs nothing hence server has more to use ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread Steven Hartland
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > I've run both with a dual xeon with ht and to tell you the truth I saw no > difference in the two as far as hlds is concerned.But I would go with

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-14 Thread BeNt
etwork like" I don't see how as 2k3 is basically the same thing with newer version of the same software.(ie: IIS,DNS,POP3,ect,ect) BeNt - Original Message - From: "Z Teknology HLDS Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004

RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-13 Thread Z Teknology HLDS Email
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? ive used both and honestly, i saw 0 difference. 2k3 supports hyperthreading tho, so if ur cpu supports it, id go with 2k3. otherwise ones

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-13 Thread hash
ive used both and honestly, i saw 0 difference. 2k3 supports hyperthreading tho, so if ur cpu supports it, id go with 2k3. otherwise ones about as good of a choice as the other. - Original Message - From: "Z Teknology HLDS Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday,

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-13 Thread Donald Holl
If there is no monthly price difference go with 2003. > me myself iv used 2000 its more network-like and runs smoth on all cpu's so > im gonna say go for 2000 What is "more network-like"? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list

Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

2004-06-13 Thread maat
me myself iv used 2000 its more network-like and runs smoth on all cpu's so im gonna say go for 2000 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds