Re: [hlds_linux] Sneaky companies

2004-05-16 Thread m0gely
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had one customer that I had to rebuild his server 4 times in 2 months...no fun and no money in it. Thats your own fault. ;P You should provision a fee if you need to restore a server due to customer fault. I for one and all for having shell access. But then again,

[hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Frash
Well you guys think shell is that much of a waste but imagine being like me. I have a 15KB/Sec upload. I cannot run a server. If I have to upload everything with FTP, eg a mappack of a few hundred MB's I got to let my PC on for days to upload that. With SSH I could simply do a wget and the servers

RE: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread D N
From: Frash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:36:21 +0200 Well you guys think shell is that much of a waste but imagine being like me. I have a 15KB/Sec upload. I cannot run a server. If I have to

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Eric (Deacon)
In a bold display of creativity, Frash wrote: If I have to upload everything with FTP, eg a mappack of a few hundred MB's I got to let my PC on for days to upload that. With SSH I could simply do a wget and the servers fast connection pulls it down. I have seen no gaming control panel that does

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Nelson Marques
Frash wrote: Well you guys think shell is that much of a waste but imagine being like me. I have a 15KB/Sec upload. I cannot run a server. Most end users can't, that's the reason why there are many server hosting companies, from wich those a huge percentage is not legal. Many people just go to a

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Shane Robinett
What are you on, 56k? - Original Message - From: Eric (Deacon) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D In a bold display of creativity, Frash wrote: If I have to upload everything with FTP, eg a mappack of a

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Alastair Grant
It's rarely asked of me, but if it does I am more than happy to download large files for people on the server. The problem with having shell access and then giving access to programs such as ftp clients and wget is people can easily download dodgy software (accidently or not) and screw up your

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread m0gely
D N wrote: It can also pull down all kinds of unsavory stuff, local root exploits, rootkits, you name it. Plus, you can sit and leech bandwidth all day, DOS other sites/individuals/companies/government, etc. Are you thiking of just offering a default install of an OS? C'mon. With a half heated

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Alastair Grant
You can use SCP - 128-bit encrypted FTP. Becomes secure then. Frash wrote: Also FTP is not that secure if you want to keep that much control for yourself since you can simply install plugins that read other files from the server or put a very high ticrate on. -- Wireplay Official

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Eric (Deacon)
In a bold display of creativity, Alastair Grant wrote: You can use SCP - 128-bit encrypted FTP. Becomes secure then. Or SFTP. Same thing, different implementation :) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Eric (Deacon)
In a bold display of creativity, Nelson Marques wrote: Most end users can't, that's the reason why there are many server hosting companies, from wich those a huge percentage is not legal. What? How so? -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Oliver Richter
Subject: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D Lo.. first of all why not keep this in the original topic sneaky Companies? Well you guys think shell is that much of a waste but imagine being like me. I have a 15KB/Sec upload. I cannot run a server. If I have to upload everything with FTP, eg a mappack

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread D N
From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:43:14 -0800 D N wrote: It can also pull down all kinds of unsavory stuff, local root exploits, rootkits, you name it. Plus, you can sit and leech

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread DLinkOZ
When I was running a GSP, my customers knew they could simply email me the URL to download and I would take care of it for them. If they didn't know, I was eager to mention it. As well, I would offer to unpack and install it for them. - Original Message - From: Frash [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Nelson Marques
D N wrote: From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:43:14 -0800 D N wrote: It can also pull down all kinds of unsavory stuff, local root exploits, rootkits, you name it. Plus, you can sit

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread m0gely
D N wrote: Show me how to prevent users from wgetting at will. Yeah ok then :) Yes, for shell you can run a restricted shell, chroot, etc. They can all be broken. No elitism from you can change that. Right, and like I said. They are going to be soo willing to abuse their account when you have all

RE: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Richard Onyon
Let's compare Professional vs Dedicated Server why don't we. 69.28.242.230:27015 = Professionally hosted server located in New York City. (Provided by www.zplay.net /end plug =) ) 65.125.232.146:27015 = Server hosted through EZZI.net located in New York City. Go play on each and I'm sure you

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Britt Priddy \(PZGN\)
I agree. Someone also said - you have their info - well - there is ALOT of fraud going on in the GSP side of things now days - both Credit Card fraud and Identity theft. So yeah - secure it - dont allow shell access to unverified people and people that have no idea what shell access is. They

Re: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread DLinkOZ
Having worked for a company where 80% of it's offerings are dedicated servers, I can definitely tell you that it's all done as cheaply as possible. That 2.4 or 2.8ghz P4 probably uses a $70 mb. And that includes onboard everything. Very low quality stuff. BUT... the companies do make a large

RE: [hlds_linux] Bring it on :D

2004-05-16 Thread Richard Onyon
Most dedicated server providers are not in colo facilities thank you very much. Especially wholesale dedicated server dealers (i.e. EZZI.net, ev1Servers, UnitedColo) are in separate facilities, not datacenters. Although (Some) may be Datacenter Class facilities. Then again there are specialized