RE: [Hornlist] Literacy - NHR, but could be

2003-12-11 Thread Hans Pizka
Yes, Japan is different, also China. But the methods are different too. The illiteracy in these countries is very, very low. Music education is very popular, but expensive (Japan). It seems, that it is part of the curriculum in grammar & middle schools, so the youth receives basic music education f

RE: [Hornlist] performing in temperatures below freezing

2003-12-11 Thread Hans Pizka
I remember, that they mixed antifreeze with cheap wines to sweeten it. It could work. But care about corrosion. Be careful with the lips. If the temp is too low, the lips touching the mpiece might be frozen on. Not a fun yet. Anyway, keep the mpiece in your pocket when not playing. So it remains

Re: [Hornlist] performing in temperatures below freezing

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Mansur
I've heard of using a half and half mix of glycerine and water. Some people have mixed some rubbing alcohol with valve oil or kerosene and used it liberally. Be very careful to not ingest any of the antifreeze solution! AND EMPTY THE WATER OUT OF EVERY SLIDE AND ORIFICE OFTEN! Then, clean

Re: [Hornlist] performing in temperatures below freezing

2003-12-11 Thread Valkhorn
Ah... see I live near the gulf coast... we hardly ever use antifreeze so I know little about it :) -William In a message dated 12/11/2003 7:42:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Be careful. Automotive antifreeze (ethylene glycol) is toxic -- might not > hurt your horn,

Re: [Hornlist] performing in temperatures below freezing

2003-12-11 Thread Alan Cole
Be careful. Automotive antifreeze (ethylene glycol) is toxic -- might not hurt your horn, but it won't do you any good -- severely torques your kidneys, heart, & nervous system. Proplyene glycol is nontoxic -- used to winterize potable water systems safely in travel trailers, motor homes, etc.

Re: [Hornlist] performing in temperatures below freezing

2003-12-11 Thread Valkhorn
I've heard rumors before of people putting antifreeze in their instruments but I have no idea what that does. For the gig I'd pull out an older 'throw-around' horn if you have one :P -William In a message dated 12/11/2003 7:12:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What sol

[Hornlist] performing in temperatures below freezing

2003-12-11 Thread OstlerHorn
What solution is safe to use in brass instrument valves and trombone slides when the temperature falls below freezing that will keep the valves working freely? We have an outdoor gig this weekend. Please respond to my e-mail address, since I am currently inactive on the horn list. Thanks. Bill _

Re: [Hornlist] Shipping a horn U.S. -> Australia

2003-12-11 Thread Tim Bell
On Thu 11 Dec 2003 at 18:18:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, my forward didn't work too well, did it? Here is the text of my > correction. Sorry for the double post -- dw [snip] > Sorry, I goofed on the exact service. It should be "Global Express Mail > (EMS)". The package dimension

Re: [Hornlist] Literacy - NHR, but could be

2003-12-11 Thread Valkhorn
Japan supposedly is still fairly good I hear. -William In a message dated 12/11/2003 3:14:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Ricco Kuehn quoted me roughly this very same statistic a month ago, and I > was > shocked. Just which countries have "successful" education syste

Re: [Hornlist] Shipping a horn U.S. -> Australia

2003-12-11 Thread BrassArtsUnlim
Well, my forward didn't work too well, did it? Here is the text of my correction. Sorry for the double post -- dw >> In a message dated 12/11/2003 2:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Thanks very much for the information. But I'm having a little trouble > finding th

[Hornlist] Literacy - NHR, but could be

2003-12-11 Thread BrassArtsUnlim
In a message dated 12/11/2003 3:25:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Nevertheless, it is not to blame our time or the customers from > overseas. We just received the UNESCO report about the GERMAN > educational system not reaching the international standard. You donât > be

Fwd: [Hornlist] Shipping a horn U.S. -> Australia

2003-12-11 Thread BrassArtsUnlim
I made a mistake on my previous post regarding shipping. Attached should be my reply with correction. -- dave weiner ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] Horns 4 Sale

2003-12-11 Thread G Napuda
All. Cross post. Way behind in reading Digest, so pardon is this has been posted. Just received snail mail sales brochure from Baltimore Brass. They are having an Overstocked Sale. Below website lists Horn models they have & a description. However, nothing on #s in stock. Sooo. Here's rundown quick

Re: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread CORNO911
Dear AC: Yes, many of the Czech made instruments are of poor quality. Poorly made valves, heavy bells, and too much focus on student quality horns account for this. P Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphi

Re: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread Alan Cole
Do you really think the Czech-made instruments are of poor quality?-AC. ~~~ At 05:02 PM 12/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hello Chuck. I am going to second Bob Osmun's vote. The Holton is a good choice if it is in good condition. Stay away from the cheap eBay horns- even wit

Re: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread CORNO911
Hello Chuck. I am going to second Bob Osmun's vote. The Holton is a good choice if it is in good condition. Stay away from the cheap eBay horns- even with some of the advice given on the horn line( by mostly amateurs) -those instruments remain poorly made and have been aptly dubbed "I S O's" This

Re: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread Klaus Bjerre
on 11/12/03 21:33, Hans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Some cheap horns & other braß is now made in Brazil too. The Atkinson > "Eastman" horns are made in Tenjian/China. > A few years ago I had the chance to test a Weril euphonium and one of

Re: [Hornlist] missing address

2003-12-11 Thread Amy Jo McBeth
Thumb folks are the BEST (EASIEST) CONSUMER. Thumb folks do never revolt. Thumb folks can be kicked in the ass, but would eventually say "thank you" then. "Thumb folks"? Any words of wisdom from Cabbage? A. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your optio

Re: [Hornlist] missing address

2003-12-11 Thread Valkhorn
I wish you were kidding about the truth of the situation. No one is more displeased to hear this than I - the person soloing with the orchestra. It's a hard enough peice as it is for the soloist, and I for one don't wish to have an orchestra bogged down behind me... Even no matter how hard you

RE: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread Hans
Some cheap horns & other braß is now made in Brazil too. The Atkinson "Eastman" horns are made in Tenjian/China. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cole Sent: Thursday, December 11,

[Hornlist] missing address

2003-12-11 Thread Hans Pizka
Can you imagine a music director ordering a set of parts for the Rosetti No.5 Concerto URGENTRLY by two email letters, but not providing any shipment address In what a mind less time do we live now ??? But this is not the only customer. I receive orders without shipment address quite often.

RE: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread Alan Cole
Chuck & Bob & Friends: Shucks, even a rank amateur wouldn't try it with a Chinese knock-off. A Czech knock-off might be something else again, eh? Not only that, have you ever noticed that those eBay full-double Chinese knock-offs are all screw-bell Geyer-wrap horns, with the offset F-Bb change

RE: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread Robert Osmun
The picture in the eBay add is of a Amati or Amati knock-off labeled E.M. Winston and selling for $1299. The notion that you can buy a $500 Chinese horn and, with a few tweaks by your local repairman, turn it into something worth having is a bad joke. A used Holton in good condition (as determined

Re: [Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread Alan Cole
Chuck: OK, here's a posible alternative to your current dilemma over whether to buy an old clunker or an expensive new double horn. Check out... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2580671452&category=16214 Even though this "Matt Stevens" horn looks like a no-name Brand-X instr

[Hornlist] Information/Assistance please

2003-12-11 Thread Wcg71maine
List members - I am new to this list, but it sounded like a good place to get some input. I started playing an "Olds Ambassador" F French horn approximately 45 years ago. I still have it and have started playing it regularly this past year, after a 5 year layoff. I play at church mostly sol

[Hornlist] German made piston single F horn

2003-12-11 Thread Klaus Bjerre
Sorry for a long posting mostly directed towards those interested in models, makes, and makers: When I found illustrations of a single F horn with pistons, which has this engraving: Alliance Lafleur - R Lafleur & sons Ltd - London Paris New York - Made in Germany 9305 - Imported by Boosey and Haw