Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

In the UK at the end of the evening there is a well known phrase used in places that serve alcohol. "Time gentlemen please." The post that set this off had an element of frustration and it was unfortunate that the subject was a sensitive one at that time. With a bit of good will it could have

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Hi, Dale: My comments inline. On 15/12/17 20:41, Dale Kunce wrote: Rafael, Saying things like "x is childish" is not in keeping with good manners. Maybe not with your own, cultural, manners. It's ok for me. That's what I thought when I read his email. Honestly. I think the larger point

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

I don't have a background in social behavior, but I've worked for a long time on freedom of expression, so let me take a crack here. I think that it is important to recognize to all sides of this argument are pro-speech. All want to see the best ideas rise. But they have slightly different

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Rafael, Saying things like "x is childish" is not in keeping with good manners. I think the larger point is that this space is not "gentle." We clearly need a CoC or at the very least to enforce the rules we (OSM) already have in place. OSM is not so special from every other internet community.

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Hi, Pete: Yes, I forgot to say my opinion about the user who said he was unsubscribing. In my opinion, it's childish to quit an open forum, where anyone can subscribe, just because somebody says something you don't like. Specially when you see already some people telling you that no one can

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

The reason I joined this listserv was so that users could help each other with issues and problems they faced while helping to create maps for countries that don’t have the capabilities themselves. Out of the other listservs I am a part of, this one is by far the most troublesome, just like

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

I feel almost all friction on this list, right now and in the past, has been between "those that want to organize" and those that do not want to be organized. The hot mailinglist is the only one in the openstreetmap lists I see this happen. Maybe somebody with a background in social behaviour

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Just to clear the air. I misspoke in my initial post when I said the HOT CoC would be enforced on this list. I've since learned that the HOT list is not administered by HOT and thus our community crafted CoC does not apply here. Note: it does apply to all other HOT communication channels,

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Hi Rafael, I see your point about the CoC and ownership of the list. But that was only the third paragraph of Dale's email. The fact remains that a person was told they are one of a hated group of people and left the list. It's a loss. Are we comfortable with that? Is it just the way it is and

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Hi all, I would prefer to participate in mailing lists that are governed by CoC and enforced by an organized group rather than individuals. =Russ -Original Message- From: Dan S [mailto:danstowell+...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 11:11 AM To: Rafael Avila Coya Cc:

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Hi, Dan: The thing here is that hot@openstreetmap.org is, as far as I know, an OSM mailing list, not HOT US inc.'s. I would find it weard that another OSM mailing list was governed by the Red Cross, and that talk-es was governed by the Spanish Government, for example. Cheers, Rafael. On

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

>but it's probably not clear to the average participant in the hot@ mailing list whether they are automatically made a part of the HOT community. I think there are two parts, those who subscribe to the current mailing list and the "inner clique" who are invited to become a HOT member.

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Hi It does seem to me that more clarity would be good here, i.e. slightly disentangling the lines of accountability regarding the hot@ mailing list. Mikel's response has logical sense, but it's probably not clear to the average participant in the hot@ mailing list whether they are automatically

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Hi Miriam: I agree with you: I don't see the need to open yet another mailing list (although I will be happy if some decide to open a new one anyway), and to try to collaborate and unify efforts. But this thread was started by Dale Kunce, President of HOT US inc, who says things like "I

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

It will be great if we don't open more mailing lists and we try to collaborate and unify efforts in the current lists Thanks, M On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: > The hot@openstreetmap.org mailing list is not subject to any more > restrictions than

Re: [HOT] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Milo van der Linden wrote: > Could we ask the OSMF if we can set up a humanitar...@openstreetmap.org > mailing list that is not subject of HOT restrictions and open to everyone > under the same rules and regulations of other OSM mailinglists?

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

The hot@openstreetmap.org mailing list is not subject to any more restrictions than any other OSMF maintained list. It is not restricted to HOT members and partners, nor is it subject to HOT governance. Here is my response from yesterday clarifying, in case you missed it. > Sure, a simple

Re: [HOT] Code of Conduct Reminder

Could we ask the OSMF if we can set up a humanitar...@openstreetmap.org mailing list that is not subject of HOT restrictions and open to everyone under the same rules and regulations of other OSM mailinglists? 2017-12-14 18:40 GMT+01:00 nicolas chavent : > Dear all HOT