Sounds intriguing, would you care to give a couple of examples where the
tag values shown in JOSM are not the ones in the OSM database?
Thanks John
On 8 March 2016 at 08:47, Paul Norman wrote:
> On 2016-03-07 4:53 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:
>
> People, get a grip.
>
> There are a lot of cool ideas
On 2016-03-07 4:53 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:
People, get a grip.
There are a lot of cool ideas that have risen and re-risen in this
thread. Custom iD presets for HOT tasks, tighter coordination between
training guides and software release cycles, better management of tags
across OSM.
HOT excel
From:* Bryan Housel [mailto:br...@7thposition.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 7:44 AM
> *To:* Dale Kunce
> *Cc:* Mikel Maron; hot@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users
>
>
>
> I agree, you don’t want to maintain an iD fo
...@7thposition.com]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 7:44 AM
To: Dale Kunce
Cc: Mikel Maron; hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users
I agree, you don’t want to maintain an iD fork..
But it’s probably helpful to think of the “presets" as a plugin. HOT T
I agree, you don’t want to maintain an iD fork..
But it’s probably helpful to think of the “presets" as a plugin. HOT TM can
embed the same iD software that OSM and everyone else uses, but with a smaller
subset of presets that apply more to the work that HOT does.
Thanks,
Bryan
> On Mar
The problem is consistancy, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
and the internal tags differ from what one has to enter in iD. Not
everyone has their own personal trainer at a mapperthon, not everyone uses
English. It's not just a matter of updating in one place but many many
places.
Thanks Dale & Mikel,
JOSM and iD are just tools, each with their strengths and weaknesses.
I have made thousands of edits with both and demonstrate both when I lead
mapathons, most people choose to edit tasks with JOSM, but many like iD,
the important thing is to coach them to create good data.
I'm totally against HOT maintaining a fork of ID. It sounds simple enough
in the beginning but will be more difficult as time goes on.
Updating training materials is a pretty simple thing to do as we should try
and refresh them regularly anyway.
On Mar 6, 2016 10:55 PM, "Mikel Maron" wrote:
> Pe
People, get a grip.
There are a lot of cool ideas that have risen and re-risen in this thread.
Custom iD presets for HOT tasks, tighter coordination between training guides
and software release cycles, better management of tags across OSM.
HOT excels in emergencies, but this isn't one. The label
: Matt Sidor [mailto:sead...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 3:47 PM
To: Suzan Reed; Russell Deffner; hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users
Hi,
Just a thought, but would it be feasible/desirable to fork the ID editor
project for HOT-specif
these concerns don't fall on 'deaf ears' and/or
>> the 'right ears' never hear your message. Also, we should all know that the
>> tagging scheme is 'loose' and I think this is more about them changing the
>> 'suggested tags' versus actual ta
gt;
>
>
> *From:* Matt Sidor [mailto:sead...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 05, 2016 3:47 PM
> *To:* Suzan Reed; Russell Deffner; hot@openstreetmap.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just a thought, but would
: Saturday, March 05, 2016 3:47 PM
To: Suzan Reed; Russell Deffner; hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users
Hi,
Just a thought, but would it be feasible/desirable to fork the ID editor
project for HOT-specific use cases?
I'm imagining that the
or the gui on potlatch, I go to the wiki if I'm not sure what tag
> to use; most are in my head :)
>
> Thanks,
> =Russ
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Suzan Reed [mailto:su...@suzanreed.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 2:23 PM
> To: john whelan; Richard Fairhurs
, 2016 2:23 PM
To: john whelan; Richard Fairhurst
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users
The changes to ID were clearly made without any regard to the significant
impact it would have on tens of thousands of mappers around the world. Although
as
t are in my
head :)
Thanks,
=Russ
-Original Message-
From: Suzan Reed [mailto:su...@suzanreed.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 2:23 PM
To: john whelan; Richard Fairhurst
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users
The changes to ID were clear
The changes to ID were clearly made without any regard to the significant
impact it would have on tens of thousands of mappers around the world. Although
as you state OSM developers see themselves as above consulting with others on
the impact of their work, that is arrogance. If they want to wal
Apols then I was thinking purely in HOT terms. In HOT terms we map, then
validate which I agree is something that OSM does not normally do. JOSM is
a much better tool than iD for validating since it detects highways that
are almost joined and catches many other errors. Many HOT projects map
buil
john whelan wrote:
> When you get to a certain size you need a formal review process
> before making changes and I think HOT is now at that size.
Which is not at all relevant as iD is not a HOT project.
OSM empowers its developers to make decisions: on openstreetmap-carto, iD,
JOSM, osm.org, osm
Yes its a training issue but has anyone thought of how big a training issue
it is? There are existing videos, screenshots, people's personal notes
many trainers have their own customized notes and training manuals. There
are translation costs, even if its only people time. Then you get into the
If you'd need to relearn iD, invest some time in learning JOSM, you'll be
glad you did. It's true that it is somewhat more userfriendly to not use
British road classifications, but now it becomes harder to make the switch
to JOSM, that contributors who become more involved with OSM will
invariably
As an Editor that uses ID exclusively for edits I can confirm that ID has
changed in the past three days. I have not made edits yet that are using
the new icons as I will need to relearn ID and be able to teach it at the
next Missing Maps meetup.
Nathan P
email: natf...@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 4,
All the tags in iD have changed.
There is no longer Road or Unclassified Road. I have no idea what a “minor
road” is, and it doesn’t match anything in OSM or HOT tags. Other tags have
disappeared as well including Water, etc.
These strange new tags need to be changed back to the ones that were
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Blake Girardot wrote:
>
>
> I assumed there was an "unclassified" road icon in iD as the tag is
> highway=unclassified, however, iD calls that a "Minor Road" but gives it
> the highway=unclassified k=v.
>
> iD does have an icon for "unclassified road", does that no
Hi John,
I am not really sure what you are asking, but in looking at highway
tagging in iD, it appears that iD does not use the same icon label for
roads based on the tag values. I had no idea.
I assumed there was an "unclassified" road icon in iD as the tag is
highway=unclassified, however
The highway tags seen in JOSM are not apparently what an iD user sees. I'm
trying very hard to put this politely but how ... am I supposed to
communicate with an iD user to say please think twice before using
highway=motorway in an African village and how are they supposed to know
what the Af
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