Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

There is the possibility of doing the following: Search using: Ctrl-f building inview type:way nodes:-8 Now you have only buildings selected. (excluding buildings with more than 8 nodes, which are quite likely round buildings) Add all of the buildings to the to do list. Press q Now they're

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

This sounds dangerous, though, for instances when buildings have non-rectangular corners (which in my experience is often the case). Such a tool would be an invitation to unwillingly mess up such buildings. On 26/04/2016 17:10, Andrew Wiseman wrote: Maybe someone could build a tool in JOSM to

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

Maybe someone could build a tool in JOSM to be able to select an area of buildings and square them all at once? Right now you have to individually select them and that takes a while, because the Q button won't work if a node is also selected. Or maybe tweak the functionality of Q so it ignores

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

Perhaps another question to ask then is is it too complex for new mappers to use when mapping buildings? If we can accept odd shaped buildings that aren't quite the right size then fine it is the right tool for the job, but if we want fairly accurate building sizes and square corners on

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On 4/25/2016 12:55 PM, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: ... And, why not, stimulate ID programmers to add square feature button :-) It's been stated a few times but since there's still confusion: iD has a button to square features. It has had this feature since before it was released. We need to

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

+1 Then inital crap could anyway encourage locale mappers to make it better and hopefully one day cadastre will open data. Besides, I've seen lots of real non-squared buildings which would risk to be modified by unsupervised mass editings. Furthermore non-squared stuff is useful anyway.. Ie to

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

>Do people leave helpful comments when validating tasks? I lead Missing Maps sessions where I'm often the only "experienced" OSMer. I do tend to include squaring/circling buildings in my demo steps, and I just bought a few cheap USB mice o have those available More importantly, after the event I

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

And Jo hasn't been validating all that much building related tasks lately. He only started again about a day ago, due to a Mapathon happening nearby to him... Jo got distracted validating schools in Uganda and doing interesting stuff with Python to add those to Wikidata as well. Or creating

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

​Just to recap the problems, we start with iD not displaying the buildings in the tile, whether this is because the time has lapsed and a second mapper has started on the tile or iD not showing all the detail I'm not concerned with the reason simply the fact that to me its not reliable. Then we

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

Hi John, I'm validating tasks with many buildings in it and even though we stressed on it for the Mapathon, I still find quite a few of them not being made rectangular. So I started using this search to find all the buildings with 4 nodes: building inview nodes:4 Square them all, then search

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

>2. Validation - either invalidate or fix. ​>​ Step 1 is the preferable route but if people are working on their own or the turnout makes one on one assistance impossible, then it should be fixed in the validation step. ​I think less well under half of the mapped tiles in HOT have been validated

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:16 PM, john whelan wrote: > So your suggestion on how to deal with the existing poorly mapped > buildings would be? 1. Determine the cause(s) of the poorly mapped buildings. Do we need more helpers in MM mapathons? The last one I did, we had a

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

>We care that they reflect the structure on the ground. I've mapped many buildings that are not square. But if we are sending people into the field to deliver aid looking for a triangle like building when the actual building is a rectangle, we've wasted their time. So your suggestion on how to

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

​For 95% of the buildings JOSM building_tool plugin does a very nice job very quickly. Three clicks and you're done. The training material for HOT and learnOSM has improved enormously since Nepal. I’d probably split the world into three. Mappers who started in OSM or who have built up

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Dale Kunce wrote: > I agree with Mike. This is part training, which I think we all strive to > do a good job on. I know all the Missing Maps one stress the need to square > buildings. It's frustrating to watch new mappers try and square

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

I agree with Mike. This is part training, which I think we all strive to do a good job on. I know all the Missing Maps one stress the need to square buildings. It's frustrating to watch new mappers try and square stuff to not have it work. Simply saying they weren't trained enough is not a good

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 4/14/2016 1:16 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Those are both things that I already tell new mappers. But they type 's' > and think they have made a square building. We can talk about how that > they should notice that

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On 4/14/2016 1:16 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: Those are both things that I already tell new mappers. But they type 's' and think they have made a square building. We can talk about how that they should notice that nothing changed, but no one has ever asked me "why doesn't the 's' key work?"

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: > The threshold for squaring angles in iD is currently set to within +/-12 > degrees of right or straight. This number was just chosen because it > “feels” right, and still allows for buildings to have 15 degree angles

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

The threshold for squaring angles in iD is currently set to within +/-12 degrees of right or straight. This number was just chosen because it “feels” right, and still allows for buildings to have 15 degree angles and circular sections. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/1902

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

In JOSM you can search "building nodes:-7" or less which screens out the huts. I don't especially like doing it in a mass way but when you're met with 200 unsquared buildings you need to tackle it in some way. You can further refine it by mapper name before hitting the q button. Either

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: > Thanks Dale, I’m hoping to get this orthogonal drawing tool merged > sometime next month. > > Being able to draw square buildings quickly in iD is a cool feature, but > not as high priority as other things that we have

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

+1 Mike. The need to draw square buildings is really a check to have new mappers draw more *accurate* buildings. On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:11 AM, wrote: > >> >> Are non squared building

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:11 AM, wrote: > > Are non squared building really a big deal, apart from visually? Can we > not live at least initially with building as traced? > If the angles are 90+/- some little bit I don't think it would matter. The problem is that once you

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

rg.uk/> > > > From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com > <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>] > Sent: 14 April 2016 13:10 > To: Pete Masters > Cc: Jo Hannes; hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org> > > Subject: Re: [HOT] Square

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

Hi Sev, apologies - I posted that last message before I saw yours - it got delayed for some reason... I think I should expand a little on what I meant. I use JOSM to select buildings for squaring at the end of validating a square. If there are circular huts or complicated (but well-mapped)

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gt; > msf.org.uk <http://www.msf.org.uk/> > > > > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 14 April 2016 13:10 > *To:* Pete Masters > *Cc:* Jo Hannes; hot@openstreetmap.org > > *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Squared buildings > > >

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

Are non squared building really a big deal, apart from visually? Can we not live at least initially with building as traced? Cheers Chris On 14/04/16 at 07:42am, john whelan wrote: > I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for > the validators. > > Do I hear that

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

singMapsProject> missingmaps.org<http://www.missingmaps.org/> msf.org.uk<http://www.msf.org.uk/> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 April 2016 13:10 To: Pete Masters Cc: Jo Hannes; hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Squared buildings Thank you Pete. Any oth

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

Hi, This would be IMHO an horrible practice, for the complex buildings skilled mappers took the time to map + basically all the round huts. As a common OSM rule is not to tag for the rendering, a new one should be not to distord the data because of the shortcomings of an editing tool. ID should

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

gt; > > > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 14 April 2016 12:42 > *To:* Jo Hannes > *Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Squared buildings > > > > I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for > t

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

gMapsProject<https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject> missingmaps.org<http://www.missingmaps.org/> msf.org.uk<http://www.msf.org.uk/> From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 April 2016 12:42 To: Jo Hannes Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Squared bu

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for the validators. Do I hear that selecting all buildings with less than 7 nodes and squaring/resquaring them all at once is acceptable although not ideal? Thanks John On 14 April 2016 at 04:15, Jo wrote:

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

It would be far better to add a tool comparable to buildings-tools plugin to iD. We should have proposed that for GSoC2016... well, maybe next year. Jo 2016-04-14 9:47 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed : > JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD > power

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD power user and so I just tried to square a number of polygons at once rather than one at a time. I tried many variations including selecting all of them and then trying to apply the “s” tool and grouping them. Nothing

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

Performing a search for all buildings with 4 nodes, this might be an acceptable solution. There might be other problems with those buildings, but it would be relatively easy to perform the search once more and then let all of the buildings pass the revue using the todo plugin. I might make a

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

I might be missing something but what's wrong with selecting all buildings in JOSM via Search (check if there are huts selected or 45-degree buildings of course) and then do a mass orthogonalization? That would be part of a validation workflow and could even be automated. On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason, you can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool. Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at 15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric shapes

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me. Just a suggestion! Suzan On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan wrote: > Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they > weren't using JOSM and the building-tool. I could be wrong, the same > mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

I accept that buildings can be squared in iD. I'm at the rear of the horse if you like, I'm just looking at the results. I try to stay away from validating projects with buildings because it would appear that many of the maperthon mappers are not squaring their buildings. Seeing 200 unsquared

Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM, john whelan wrote: > If it absolutely essential fine but if not can we just accept some > slanting buildings when iD has been used? and if they're really essential > can we set the mappers up with a decent tool such as JOSM and the

[HOT] Squared buildings

How essential are they? They're fairly easy to square in JOSM with q or to drop in correctly with the building_tool plug in but I'm seeing perhaps 30% of buildings not squared on some projects and to be honest by the time I've inspected the image and sorted it out I could have mapped the building