[IAEP] Tech roadmap

Hello, I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. For example, we have been talking a lot about Sugar on Android, mixing a lot of different things under that name. We need to clarify what that really is. Here are my thoughts, inspired by the oversight board meeting

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Hello, > > I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. > For example, we have been talking a lot about Sugar on Android, mixing a lot > of different things under that name. We need to clarify what that really i

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013/11/6 Peter Robinson : > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. >>> For example, we have been talking a lot about Sugar on And

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I think Sugar Labs needs to express a clear, realistic technology roadmap. >> For example, we have been talking a lot about Sugar on Android, mixing a lot >> of different

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

Yes, but we never provided a easy way to install in classmates, or tried to approach hardware manufactures to propose them to invest on that. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > 2013/11/6 Peter Robinson : >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >>>

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On 6 November 2013 16:12, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > > * Wait and see what happens with the XO. Support existing deployments by > > producing images with the most recent Sugar release. Stick to a Fedora 18 > > base system, the work to upgrade is highly non trivial. Provide custom > rpms > > for the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

Are classmates somehow available to developers? It sounds like making images (or whatever) for them might be a pretty good idea. On 6 November 2013 16:25, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Yes, but we never provided a easy way to install in classmates, > or tried to approach hardware manufactures to prop

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > > > Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I > > don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. > > Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for > example. > You mean people ar

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Are classmates somehow available to developers? It sounds like making images > (or whatever) for them might be a pretty good idea. You should be able to use the SoaS images on them straight up, there's an installer option. If it's aimed at a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

2013/11/6 Daniel Narvaez : > On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones wrote: >> >> >> > Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I >> > don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. >> >> Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

>> >> In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18. > > Please elaborate :) > > I think developing web activities on two very different platforms (WebKit1 > and WebKit2) is a bad idea, it will involve more work (and pain) then doing > some backporting. Well, with a little patch in our

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On 6 November 2013 16:45, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > >> > >> In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18. > > > > Please elaborate :) > > > > I think developing web activities on two very different platforms > (WebKit1 > > and WebKit2) is a bad idea, it will involve more work (and pain)

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

I forgot a note about toolkits * The gtk2 toolkit is deprecated and frozen but it will be supported as long as possible (at some point I guess some dependencies might start disappearing from distributions, making that problematic). The gtk3 toolkit is supported, backward API compatibility is guara

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > > On 6 November 2013 16:45, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> >> >> >> >> In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18. >> > >> > Please elaborate :) >> > >> > I think developing web activities on two very different platforms >> > (WebKi

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > I forgot a note about toolkits > > * The gtk2 toolkit is deprecated and frozen but it will be supported as long > as possible (at some point I guess some dependencies might start > disappearing from distributions, making that problematic). Th

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On 6 November 2013 17:38, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez > wrote: > > > > On 6 November 2013 16:45, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> >> In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18. > >> > > >> > Please elaborate :) > >> > > >> > I thi

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

Gstreamer 0.10 is part of what I'm calling gtk2 toolkit, it's not completely accurate but we have been using than terminology. So it seems we are going to run into the issue of gtk2 toolkit pieces disappearing earlier then I expected. I think you can move to gst 1.0 only if you already ported to g

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

>> No. the web-server issue is already solved. > > If we want to support WebKit1, I think we should do it upstream then. I'm > still not thrilled about that but not opposed to it either. Good. We can see what is the better way to do it. May be check the webkit version installed? Just for referenc

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

Clock, Speak, and part of Memorize use gstreamer just to do text to speech. I would like to have tts provided by Sugar as a service, probably using dbus and a api in sugar-toolkit-gtk3. That would simplify these activities and solve other problems we have, like by example the keep the language name

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Clock, Speak, and part of Memorize use gstreamer just to do text to speech. > I would like to have tts provided by Sugar as a service, probably using dbus > and a api in sugar-toolkit-gtk3. That would simplify these activities and > solve >

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

Did you run into any specific issue? On Wednesday, 6 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote: > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Gonzalo Odiard > > > wrote: > > Clock, Speak, and part of Memorize use gstreamer just to do text to > speech. > > I would like to have tts provided by Sugar as a service, p

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Did you run into any specific issue? It has been a while, but I had some issues with lack of introspection support with some pad stuff... will look again over the weekend. -walter > > On Wednesday, 6 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote: >>

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> Did you run into any specific issue? > > It has been a while, but I had some issues with lack of introspection > support with some pad stuff... will look again over the weekend. I woul

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

/>On 06/11/2013 13:31, Daniel Narvaez wrote:// //>You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro?/ -- In Uruguay we have Classmates II (called "Magallanes") in some High Schools,

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with unmarketable names, linking w

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On 6 November 2013 18:32, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > >> No. the web-server issue is already solved. > > > > If we want to support WebKit1, I think we should do it upstream then. I'm > > still not thrilled about that but not opposed to it either. > > Good. We can see what is the better way to do it.

Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting

El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribió: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson > wrote: But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and Sebastian decided to take

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

In F18 we can do: from gi.repository import WebKit2 but later crash, not sure where. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 6 November 2013 18:32, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > >> >> No. the web-server issue is already solved. >> > >> > If we want to support WebKit1,

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

On 7 November 2013 00:37, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > > In F18 we can do: > from gi.repository import WebKit2 > > but later crash, not sure where. > Hrm, yeah, I had forgot the exact situation in Fedora 18... Then I'm afraid the only solid approach I can think of is testing for a SUGAR_WEBKIT_VER

Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap

Yeah, is a option. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 7 November 2013 00:37, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > >> >> In F18 we can do: >> from gi.repository import WebKit2 >> >> but later crash, not sure where. >> > > Hrm, yeah, I had forgot the exact situation in Fedo

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/ for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal are jointly developing. For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I sho

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

Cool stuff. As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar (stable and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and testing... And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap

I agree :) Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan ( https://www.laptop.o

Re: [IAEP] [Localization] Translation Manual (in Spanish)

El 29/10/13 08:18, Chris Leonard escribió: Nothing would make me happier than to take myself out of the account creation loop, but on observing the number of dummy accounts being created (and activated) each day, I reluctantly took the step fo turning off self-serve registration to protect the in