Re: Just another example of mainframe costs + aspects

2007-01-06 Thread João Carlos R. Baptista
Gentleman, I must say I basically agree with C.Mills 's approaches . I would also like to add some aspects: a) Once wintel/linux (and even unix/risc) are plataforms aimed by crackers/intruders, its security adds extra costs (hw, sw HR) and disasters/incidents to manage. b) A

CPU Contention

2007-01-06 Thread Jacky Bright
Hi, Source : RMF Report Earlier CPU Contention was around 99%.(when CPU Usage was 100%). Post CPU Upgradation CPU Contention reduced to around 20%. However CPU Usage is still hardlt 50% tht time ... what allfactors contribute for CPU Contention ? Ideally speaking if CPU Usage is not 100% then

Re: Storage ROTs

2007-01-06 Thread R.S.
Mark Zelden wrote: On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:08:32 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO the difference between 10GB and 60GB won't be perceptible, while difference between 8 and 10 GB will be small but perceptible. What makes you say that? It depends on the release, if you are running

Re: CPU Contention

2007-01-06 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
The CPU usage being reported is the average for a time interval of 15 or 30 minutes, whatever you have defined. At any time during that interval you had more address spaces ready to run than you had CP to accommodate hence the CPU contention. Good luck trying to explain that to management.

Re: CPU Contention

2007-01-06 Thread Frank Krueger
Hi think the other way - if the cpu is 50% busy - and there is one Job coming into the system and wants to work - in 50% of the time he can work - no contention. But in the other 50% of the time he cannot - cause it is busy - so there is contention . And yes i know - more complicated with more

Re: SYSlog to OPERLIB

2007-01-06 Thread R.S.
james smith wrote: RS/Mike What does SETLOGRC (the SET LOGREC command) have to do with OPERLOG? OPERLOG is controlled via the VARY OPERLOG command. You can also use OPERLOG as a DASD-only log stream. This method is only suitable for a single system sysplex. I believe IBM has announced that

Re: CPU Contention

2007-01-06 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Frank, In your example you would have 100% cpu utilization for the interval. Jacky is trying to understand why he has less than 100% cpu utilization but still sees cpu contention. From: Frank Krueger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 1/6/2007 9:38 AM To:

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-06 Thread R.S.
Bruce Black wrote: My current client has a V2X2 and is thinking about replacing it with a Shark. SnapShot is used to snap 600 volumes in about 5-10 minutes. The physical tape backups are done from the snaps and take about 8 hours. This DR process is fully tested and works great. My main

Ficon switch

2007-01-06 Thread Bruno Sugliani
Happy new year to evryone I am doing some shopping for a way to switch 4 ficon from a C06 Jaguar controller between 2 CPU's ( Z9 ).( that means 12 ports total) I have seen several models from several brands I am looking at a Sphereon 4700 Fabric Switch from Mcdata (16 port model) Anyone using

GZIP - need help!

2007-01-06 Thread Crystal Kay
I am trying to use GZIP on MVS. I cannot figure out how to allocate the output file. Does anyone know the DD Name for this? Since I cannot allocate the output file, it gets generated on the default volume (not desirable), and with the default size - which causes the job to abend with a B37 on

Re: Mainframe vs grid

2007-01-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip an aging mainframe, yea okay, so what were they running? a 9021 with 128 meg of central storage running OS/390 2.4 ? Hey, I want a 9021. But I guess I would settle on a 9121. There actually is a guy in Poughkeepsie with a 9021 in his

Re: CPU Contention

2007-01-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip--- Source : RMF Report Earlier CPU Contention was around 99%.(when CPU Usage was 100%). Post CPU Upgradation CPU Contention reduced to around 20%. However CPU Usage is still hardlt 50% tht time ... what all factors contribute for CPU Contention

Re: VPL (Was: Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink) - READ THIS

2007-01-06 Thread Craddock, Chris
With respect to VPL access being removed Ed said; ... This is UNBELIEVABLE! And Pat said No. Unfortunately, it IS believable. A study of just about any Dilbert comic strip should help explain it. Yeah pretty much. The bean counters and marketers run the industry. ... The usage for VPL is

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Craddock, Chris
Stephen Odo asks OK ... but what I'm hearing from this list is that the squatty boxes are faster, cheaper, easier to use, just as reliable, and just as secure as the mainframe. how do we compete with that? :-P Our world is not black or white but shades of grey. Are mainframes more expensive

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip-- Without knowing what your day-to-day role is, it's hard to say. First, simply by not being in denial. Mainframes are not better because the people who use them are older, the boxes are bigger, they were around in 1979, and all of your

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
There's a myriad of messages and codes to try an tell a user exacly what a ploblem is, Key word TRY! The one I hate is 'consult your system programmer'! I am my system programmer! but so many programmers today aren't willing to do the research; even looking up a message in the standard

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Aaron Walker wrote: Retorts from the peanut gallery: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/01/05/0538224.shtml Year of the Mainframe? Not Quite, Say Linux Grids This reference describes their prior system as an aging mainframe, which suggests that their management had made a [questionable]

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Fochtman) writes: No argument here. But the hardware evolution in terms of RAS has made the MF KING in this area. MF had a poor record to start, but it's improved immeasurably over the last 40+ years, with the evolution of microcode and things like automatic recovery and

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Jeffrey D. Smith
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. /snip/ I used to keep System Message and System

INFO ZIP Large File Error

2007-01-06 Thread Crystal Kay
Hi, I have Infozip working on MVS/TSO. It zips up a 17 cylinder file (85% compression). But when I double the size of the file, it gives the following message: :zip warning: new zip file left as: zip I/O error: EDC5047I An invalid file name was

Re: INFO ZIP Large File Error

2007-01-06 Thread Rich Tabor
You maybe hitting the 2GB max. On 1/6/07, Crystal Kay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have Infozip working on MVS/TSO. It zips up a 17 cylinder file (85% compression). But when I double the size of the file, it gives the following message: :zip warning: new zip file left as: zip I/O error:

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:49:44 -0500 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/04/2007 : at 04:47 PM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: :It gives you a lot. :I've certainly used it extensively, but trace ?i is no replacement for :a real debugger. :As

Re: CPU Contention

2007-01-06 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Jacky Bright wrote: Hi, Source : RMF Report Earlier CPU Contention was around 99%.(when CPU Usage was 100%). Post CPU Upgradation CPU Contention reduced to around 20%. However CPU Usage is still hardlt 50% tht time ... what allfactors contribute for CPU Contention ? Ideally speaking if CPU

Re: CPU Contention

2007-01-06 Thread Shane
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 18:03 +0530, Jacky Bright wrote: Source : RMF Report Earlier CPU Contention was around 99%.(when CPU Usage was 100%). Post CPU Upgradation CPU Contention reduced to around 20%. However CPU Usage is still hardlt 50% tht time ... what allfactors contribute for CPU

Jobs and the initiators they run in

2007-01-06 Thread Horne, Jim - James S
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Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-06 Thread Bruce Black
Bruce, that would be true but Sam used the FCNOCOPY option. Using this option in DSS, only the T0 (time 0) tracks that were updated on the source volume are copied to the target. This assumes FLASHCOPY V2 is used. Once the target volume is dumped and the FC withdraw is done, the data on the

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-06 Thread Bruce Black
Just to complement: there's also TIMEFINDER/MIRROR. True, also known as BCVs (Business Continuance Volumes). This was EMC's original point-in-time backup function. EMC does market it as the :high-performance option. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 6, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: --snip-- Without knowing what your day-to-day role is, it's hard to say. First, simply by not being in denial. Mainframes are not better because the people who use them are older, the boxes are

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Jeffrey D. Smith wrote: --SNIP /snip/ In a past life, I was stuck on the help desk, and every programmer knew where it was. Everytime they brought me a steaming hot dump fresh off the printer and plopped it on my desk, I picked it up and

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-06 Thread R.S.
Bruce Black wrote: Just to complement: there's also TIMEFINDER/MIRROR. True, also known as BCVs (Business Continuance Volumes). This was EMC's original point-in-time backup function. EMC does market it as the :high-performance option. Again, just to correct: BCV is not TF/MIRROR, however

Re: SYSlog to OPERLIB

2007-01-06 Thread james smith
Funny how as we 'mature' these viruses seem to strike more often :-)) James F. Smith -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: 06 January 2007 22:48 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SYSlog to OPERLIB james smith

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-06 Thread Tom Moulder
Timefinder/Mirror is the software that is required to control the Business Continuance Volumes that are defined in the BIN file of the Symmetrix. This has been discussed at a high level in previous posts, however, it is probably worth stating here that all RAID configuration specifications for