From: Mark Jacobs
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 8:56:01 AM
Subject: Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
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We called it a 'Sheldon shield' after an operator hit the IML button on the old
3033 console keyboard se
From: Rick Fochtman
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 3:04:06 PM
Subject: Re: Developers' Use of Prod Data For Testing
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One thing to remember is that production data may not always be
Hal Merritt writes:
>If you have any Os/2 based appliances, then you'd want to
>gracefully shut them down. Otherwise, they will run CHKDSK
>upon power up, and that takes forever. Examples of OS/2 based
>appliances include the older HMC's, 2074's, etc. Not sure if
>you can do that for the OS/2 based
Sorry to be so late in chiming in, but some health issues have limited
my online-time, and I'm playing catch-up.
The reference to the Secret Service's mainframe "60-percent uptime"
reminded me of an issue from 30-some years ago. I was called on the
carpet because the supervisor of our remote
Paul Gilmartin has characterized my mercifully infrequent contributions to this
forum and my only one to this thread as harangues.
One immediately accessible web definition of <> is:
An impassioned, disputatious public speech; A tirade or rant, whether spoken or
written; To give a forceful an
Thierry,
Here I try giving you answer with my test example...
1) I ran a test job (as below)
J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M 1 X 0 1 --
N O D
05.25.48 JOB00596 THURSDAY, 17
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:22:34 -0400, Brian France wrote:
>john gilmore wrote:
>> Brian Peterson wrote:
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that one of the most significant results of this common
>> installation tool initiative is actually not the tool itself. Rather, in my
>> opinion, it is the fact that al
Hi Chris,
Thanks, you are right. I evidently didn't see his post... oh well.
Thanks,
Rob
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Rob
This seems to bear a remarkable similarity to the document to which Edward
Jaffe directed us all earlier today: "System z and z/OS unique Characteristics".
Chris Mason
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 1
W dniu 2010-06-17 18:26, Pinnacle pisze:
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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:07 AM
Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series
Hi,
When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to
Electricity
power
>I can't just let highlighted message roll off (if that's what roll mode is).
It is, but with SDSF, and other tools, you can go back and browse.
If you don't roll, and have a chronic problem, you can run into buffer
shortages and outages.
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
George,
BCV5 copies and masks / scrambles production data for a test
environment. The product can do this while the data is being copied
which saves quite a bit of time. BCV5 is part of the BCV4, BCV5, BCV6
line of fast clone / copy / refresh solutions for the DB2 z/OS
environment. The BCV
Rob
This seems to bear a remarkable similarity to the document to which Edward
Jaffe directed us all earlier today: "System z and z/OS unique Characteristics".
Chris Mason
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:35:31 -0400, Rob Barbour
wrote:
>Interesting read for the list. This was passed to me by one of m
Sorry for the late post. If you have a Palm or Treo Smartphone, the
Calculator has a 'Logic' function in the Options menu which gives you a
nice hex calculator. The Options menu also gives you Math, Trig,
Finance, Statistics, Weight/Temp, Length, Area, and Volume calculators.
Fits two crite
I'll have to look roll mode up, but we have AFOPER which captures error
conditions, such as tape problems, dasd problems, aux shortages, etc If an
operator is not signed on, then we use SA-IOM to page several people. (yes, we
still use pagers) On weekends, if an operator has to come to the
Leave it up all the time and do the roll mode on the weekends. Anything that
is in error does get picked up by automation, typically just an email.
Bill
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:05:23 +, john gilmore wrote:
>
>I should feel different about it if it were radically innovative; it is not.
>
"Radically innovative" is subjective. How many CA products do you need
to install and maintain across how many sysplexes and LPARs?
I do think it is innov
Interesting read for the list. This was passed to me by one of my
friends in Germany.
It also has an interesting tidbit that I didn't know about on the start
of VMWare on p. 29.
*University of Tuebingen Link: *
http://tobias-lib.uni-tuebingen.de/volltexte/2010/4710/ (click on
the PDF lin
We leave it up all the time (and our weekends are unattended, but we set the
consoles roll mode).
Mike Wickman
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Crabtree, Anne D
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua
Like the comparison of having an MCSE do it. ZOS is not 'shield' installed
and we don't need GUI tools that badly. Allow the NKOTB to plug and play a
product? Is that a wise choice. Besides we all know the mainframe is going
away...
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I have powered down and powered up whole data centers numerous times usually
for electrical, power plant work, sometimes because the air conditioning
failed, once for a push/pull to retreat from an early CMOS machine,
which had more CP's than MIP's ;-), back to a Bi Polar machine, and never
had a p
IMO, this is all about "how to allow an MSCE to install z/OS software".
Remember that people cost more than software. And software doesn't up and
resign or retire, taking their expertise with them. One day, I expect the HMC
to have the "install the latest z/OS" button. Management pushes it and "
I like MSM however, it does need some growth time.
My main issue is if you try to use MSM to install a product but that product is
not ready for MSM, there is NOTHING I could find that MSM would say "NOT MSM
Supported".
So I would spend days or hours trying to use MSM on something not ready for
john gilmore wrote:
Brian Peterson wrote:
It seems to me that one of the most significant results of this common installation tool
initiative is actually not the tool itself. Rather, in my opinion, it is the fact that
all of the "tribes" within the CA family now have ONE install methodol
If Receive/Apply/Accept is all that you needed, and you have no newbies in
your shop,
you may be right. But if you or the newbie need to easily deploy and
configure CA
software, you'd want the tools to help you get it done quicker. IMHO, of
course.
zNorman
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I've not seen R3.
I wish I could sing the praises like the well respected folks who have
so far, but IMO, CA-MSM was not really ready for prime time. Like many
other products, it seems to have been rushed to release by marketing
forces.
In reality, the portion of a CA install that MSM (R2) did (f
Do most of you keep the health checker up and running all the time? I usually
just start it periodically to see what is new that shows up. My concern in
keeping it running has to do with highlighted messages it puts on the console
(like when no operator is on duty). I was just curious how mos
Brian Peterson wrote:
It seems to me that one of the most significant results of this common
installation tool initiative is actually not the tool itself. Rather, in my
opinion, it is the fact that all of the "tribes" within the CA family now have
ONE install methodology - one that is comm
I've been working with CA MSM for a year or so - first the R2 release, then
the R3 release.
I really like this new tool. (I remember, and hated, aggrivator).
It seems to me that one of the most significant results of this common
installation tool initiative is actually not the tool itself. Rath
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From: "Matan Cohen"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:07 AM
Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series
Hi,
When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to
Electricity
power cut) , after taking down the lpars.
do
Ravi KumarIBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on
06/16/2010 09:16:34 PM:
> Does someone having a copy of VBSFIX module..could you please share it
with
> me..i used to have one lost however somewhere..
>
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From: "Jim McAlpine"
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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mark Zelden wrote:
You don't change that with the standard "settings" command for ISPF.
G
If you have any Os/2 based appliances, then you'd want to gracefully shut them
down. Otherwise, they will run CHKDSK upon power up, and that takes forever.
Examples of OS/2 based appliances include the older HMC's, 2074's, etc. Not
sure if you can do that for the OS/2 based SE's, but, if you can
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mark Zelden wrote:
>
> You don't change that with the standard "settings" command for ISPF.
>
> Go to the "options --> advanced" pull down menu and set your preference
> there.
>
> File Directory Special_file Tools File_systems Options Set
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:12:32 +0100, Jim McAlpine wrote:
>Anyhow, another strange quirk is that if I issue the "settings" command in
>ISHELL to put the command line at the top, then exit ISHELL and go back in
>again, then the command line is at the bottom again. Very bloody annoying
>as I have t
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Check out this very well written and researched paper from the Wilhelm
Schickard Institute for Computer Science in Germany.
http://tobias-lib.uni-tuebingen.de/volltexte/2010/4710/pdf/report_spruth_2010.pdf
Thanks, Ed. Pretty interesting.
(Don't worry. It's written in E
It's happened again, just out of the blue. I've been using ISHELL for weeks
now on and off and suddenly the same strange behaviour returned. Renaming
the BPXWPROF profile solved the problem again but I'd love to know the cause
but probably never will.
Anyhow, another strange quirk is that if I i
Did we all jump on at once, or do they have an awfully slow server ?.
Shane ...
On Fri, Jun 18th, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote:
> Check out this very well written and researched paper ...
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Check out this very well written and researched paper from the Wilhelm
Schickard Institute for Computer Science in Germany.
http://tobias-lib.uni-tuebingen.de/volltexte/2010/4710/pdf/report_spruth_2010.pdf
(Don't worry. It's written in English. :-) )
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Phoenix Software Interna
"Mark Jacobs" wrote in message
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> On 06/17/10 09:51, Kelman, Tom wrote:
> > I was in a shop in the early 1980s where we had a very bad
experience of the power being cut by the use of the emergency switch.
There was a building maintenance man in the machine ro
Overall. Usual litany...legacy system, nothing new coming on-line, etc.
RARELY look askance at USS stuff. No websphere, and so on. Java? My coffee
cup has java in it. And no, it's not an attitude about USS, we just don't
play there.
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:55:11 -0500, Daniel McLaughlin
wrote:
>Well, to each his own. We are not blessed with USS knowledge and the install
>instructions for the product assume that the reader is. I've read many of
>the posts but some of the vendor info is nebulous to say the least.
>Thank you for
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:55:11 -0500, Daniel McLaughlin wrote:
>Well, to each his own. We are not blessed with USS knowledge and the install
>instructions for the product assume that the reader is.
>
Is that CA-peculiar or IBM-general?
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On 06/17/10 09:51, Kelman, Tom wrote:
I was in a shop in the early 1980s where we had a very bad experience of the
power being cut by the use of the emergency switch. There was a building
maintenance man in the machine room. When he went to leave instead of pressing
the button to activate th
Well, to each his own. We are not blessed with USS knowledge and the install
instructions for the product assume that the reader is. I've read many of
the posts but some of the vendor info is nebulous to say the least.
Thank you for your feedback.
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Well this should generate some entertainment for when the soccer gets a bit
slow ...
CA have an appalling history with regard to product maintenance - Russells lot
have been the best
of a bad bunch, and have been generally pretty good.
Other than that, uniformly terrible.
Scott has promised to
I was in a shop in the early 1980s where we had a very bad experience of the
power being cut by the use of the emergency switch. There was a building
maintenance man in the machine room. When he went to leave instead of pressing
the button to activate the door to the mantrap, he pressed the em
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:59:00 -0500, Daniel McLaughlin
wrote:
>We've been invited to a D&P on this next week. After reviewing some of the
>demos and documentation I sure don't see how it makes life easier..comments
>from those who have trod that road?
Search the archives for past posts of mine.
We had just such a requirement a few weeks back. Our IBM CE recommended the
following:
Before the power is going to be switched off:
Shutdown systems
Deactivate Lpars
Deactivate CPC(wait for the CEC to power off)CPC Icon now Black
Shut down Alt SE
Shut down Primary SE(wait for both SE to shu
IBM told me not to shutdown the SE.
IBM saying to perform deactivation and then CPC shutdown.
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Mark Pace wrote:
> SE = System Element. The laptops within the z9.
>
> I would also shutdown the HMC (Hardware Management Console).
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:44
If your ICFs do not have battery backup, make sure the data is written out
and/or do a backup/restore equivalent of whatever software is using it for data.
Most shops do structure rebuilds or duplexing, but that doesn't work when *all*
power is removed from all ICFs.
Food for thought,
Bob
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Mark Pace pisze:
SE = System Element. The laptops within the z9.
I would also shutdown the HMC (Hardware Management Console).
I would do the same IF the HMC was in the same room, on the same switch.
I would do the same for every device on the circuit.
BTW: SE = Support Element. A laptop
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We've been invited to a D&P on this next week. After reviewing some of the
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SE = System Element. The laptops within the z9.
I would also shutdown the HMC (Hardware Management Console).
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Matan Cohen wrote:
> R.S wrote "We shutdown SE" SE stand for?
> I did this sort of shutdown at diffrent Data center the time elctricity
> power cut is
R.S wrote "We shutdown SE" SE stand for?
I did this sort of shutdown at diffrent Data center the time elctricity
power cut is schedule from advance.
in the past I remeber i was told never to cut power using the emergency
switch ( i don't know the reason for that but it was said by a wise man).
t
Matan Cohen pisze:
Hi,
When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity
power cut) , after taking down the lpars.
do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ?
i met a diffrent opinion in this matter .
Yes, we do. We shutdown SE and then cut the power
I'm assuming that the electricity power cut, or whatever is happening,
is scheduled. You know ahead of time that it is going to happen.
If the power to your data center is going to be shut down for some
reason wouldn't you want to have a controlled power down of the complete
data center? I know
Hi,
When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity
power cut) , after taking down the lpars.
do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ?
i met a diffrent opinion in this matter .
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MF System Administrator.
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