ad for me. hahaha.
Actually, I read somewhere that only about 50% of the reading population can
decipher that text easily. As I said, I was just trying to fan the flames.
~grin~.
Regards,
Dean
>>> Dean Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/9/2008 4:05 PM >>>
>
> Communication onl
> >There seems to be at least some emphasis on being able> to construct
written communication that utilizes correct grammer.
>ITYM "grammar".
I know it isn't Friday, and I know this is polluting, but...
A salesperson knocks on a door, and a child answers. The salesperson asks
"Is your mother ho
>
> Communication only works when you are all using a common language. If
everybody spells randomly, where's the commonality?
"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in
waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the
frist and lsat ltteer be
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> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:54:28 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> w
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> Thats why I never go to Wikipedia to look something up. If anyone can
> change it, how can you trust any of it?
I
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> Of course you do. If you want to be _sure_
"Jim Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> What I am hoping for in the future is the Bill Gates strategy (sell an
entire
> operating for $79) and make billions. What if Strobe was so reasonable,
that
> every z/OS shop in the world could afford to use it and w
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> Another article on this topic is at:
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> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0296717.htm
>
> This article points out the long line of breakthroughs made by IBM in the
> area of nanotechnology (just one
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> I was
> informed by some kind person - trying to give credit on the basis of
feeble
> memory it may have
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> Reminds me of that little road off the I-15 interstate between
> California and Nevada, named Zzxyzz Road.
Zzyzzx Road.
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>Re: Supposed factor improvements over time in the integer perform
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> >x86 processor performance has increased at roughly twice the rate as
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> I really wasn't paying any attention to this thread. But, I happe
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> Actually, I have had this very argument with some previous cli
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> Unless you two are prepared to formulate your positions carefully
I replied to this directly to the newsgroup yesterday when email delivery
was interrupted. I know some don't read the newsgroup, so I just want to
reply again with the pertinent data in case anyone is interested. I hope I
am not breaching ettiquette by doing this - but if so, I apologize in
advan
"Tom Marchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:51:48 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
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> >...As I said, Intel, for
> >example, does not use SOI and seems to be producing very high clockrate
> >devices withou
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> Well of course, Dean, Timothy makes perfect sense. You should bel
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> Yep And each one of those servers requires a physical conn
Just to see if posts are being accepted/distributed...
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> A different benchmark is described here:
>
> http://www.ibm.com
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>I'm sorry, Dean, but that statement borders on malpractice. If
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> Can the mainframe z900/z990/z9 compete head to head with
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> Process size is a limiting factor for performance.
One can find d
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> IBM is not positioning the mainframe to compete with a computer
"Tom Marchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:53:39 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
> >
> > Since Intel is
> >already on 45nm process, I don't think you can call 90nm 'leading in
> >techno
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> >
>
> Some specifics:
> 90-nm in the z9
> SOI
> Copper wiring
>
> You could do the research if you wanted to.
Now you appear to be arguing just to argue. The question was on
comparisons of technology, and specifically performance. Since Intel is
already on 45nm
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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:41:09 -0700, Dean Ken
"Tom Marchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Yes, you did say that, but also,
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:06:01 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
> >
> >The mainframe MPU *is* slower than other platforms
> > Itanium likely c
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:57:33 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
> >
> > ... I am aware of several companies that offer x86 based
> >'mainframe class' systems (for a hefty price), that include a lot of the
RAS
> >features mainframes are famous for.
>
> Ha!
> >
> > ... a Dell Precision Workstation 330 system with a 1.4GHz P4 in
> >Nov 2000 the SPECint_rate was 5.80. In June 2006, a Dell Precision
> >Workstation 390 with a 2.93GHz Intel Core Duo processor was 63.6.
> >Obviously one cannot make a direct comparison between MIPS and SPEC rate,
>
> Yo
> On 16 Jul 2007 07:03:03 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>
> >> Even with PCs, the old standard measurements of processor speed are no
> >> longer the selling points that they used to be. There are too many
> >> variables that effect general performance.
> >>
> >
> >I think, however,
>
> Even with PCs, the old standard measurements of processor speed are no
> longer the selling points that they used to be. There are too many
> variables that effect general performance.
>
I think, however, that it is fair to say that peformance is always
important, even for IBM. The relativ
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> I want to benchmark my tools too. I want a good benchmark to decide
> whether t
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Dean Kent wrote:
>>I find it hard to believe
>
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> It means Itanium is 4.3 times faster than AMD. I doubt it.
That would depend upon what benchmark. Itanium is very strong in floating
point vs. anything AMD has to offer, but in integer it is merely adequate.
However, I think
rame thrives' article
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:44:34 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
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> >
> >> Dean Kent:
> >> >Itanium likely could emulate zArch instructions fas
For cross-platform benchmarking, SPEC is generally considered the
tool-of-preference. The CPU specific benchmarks are SPECint and SPECfp,
which use code that does almost no I/O... and may, in fact, fit entirely in
cache (depending upon the amount of cache for that processor). This is
where I st
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> Dean Kent:
> >Itanium likely could emu
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> Well said, JC. I know this is a nit, but according to Webster's:
>
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=M
Thompson, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I keep seeing references to the "mainframe" processor is slower than
> those used in other platforms.
>
> Seriously, in an effort to compare processor power, IF one were to take
> a COBOL program that would process 100
>
> But I'm puzzled. As far as I can see you are using upward pointing arrows
to
> highlight *two* mistakes. I obviously can see "fort" - now - but your
arrows
> do not identify it - even when copied to a file with non-proportional
font.
> I can't see to what the other arrows refer.
The phrase "If
I'm going to do this to inject a little levity (I hope)...
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> Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
"improve"
> your knowledge by pointing out that it's "Unformatted" with two "t"s.
>
> Please d
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>OK, moving on to the separate issue you raise. It's an excellent question.
>As said, to a first order effect, IBM buying Candle (for example) did not
>expand the mainframe market. And what I think you mean is expandin
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>If you think that's what's going on, why the orgy -- can I say that? -- why
>the orgy of new z/OS products from IBM? And why is IBM buying all these
>software companies (including Consul, Candle, Isogon, and Ascential
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> Sorry if I misinterpreted the thread. IBM has never (IMO) been
particularly
> interested in courting hobbyists. I know this is disappointing, but there
is a
> certain amount of risk and a certain amount of benefit. TP
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> People who want to develop commercial software for z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE
> need to become members of PartnerWorld for Development (PWD). The
> whole purpose of PWD is to promote the development of products on our
> platf
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> >
>
> Views like his are common, but they are also curiously parochial.
Someone
> who wants to do physi
"Howard Brazee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> A lot of our smarts is in seeing patterns, simplifying what we are
> looking for. Occasionally this kind of shortcut causes us to miss
> things, but pattern recognition allows the chess master to ignore dead
> ends th
"Rick Fochtman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> Complexity is far too often used as an excuse for incompetence or
> laziness; not always or even most of the time, but still far too often.
> You don't let a carpenter
"Timothy Sipples" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>Now, whether this matters to you or not is another question. Still, I
>think it's a small but interesting detail that there are no closed source
>Linux drivers for System z, so far as I'm aware. It's all open source n
Ooh - a topic I can contribute to!
Logical fallacy: "Most accidents are caused by inattentive motorists.
Therefore all inattentive motorists cause accidents."
While the first statement may be true, the conclusion does not necessarily
follow. Therefore, the statement that most wars are perpetra
>Time Warner
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Steve Comstock wrote:
>Urgency must be relative. You don't have
Steve Comstock wrote:
>Urgency must be relative. You don't have to generate your
>salary in the next two months, I would wager. I've traveled
>halfway around the world to do training, some of it at IBM's
>request (Kuwait, Denmark) some at my own initiative (Ireland,
>Singapore). Love it. Enjoy the
headlights of the distributed systems truck bearing down on them.
:-).
>Dave Salt
>SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe!
>http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm
Regards,
Dean Kent
Speaking for myself, not my employer, my business
Unfortunately, I can't read/understand German - but your page provided more
insight. Thanks. I first read this article over the weekend, and it
surprised me that IBM might actually be willing/able to use the Power processor
to... well, power a mainframe. Rumors of that have been around for a
Hopefully not far off topic, but this recently published article indicates
that IBM may merge i, p and z series processors using POWER6. At one time I
recall seeing an official IBM statement saying that this would never happen
because of the unique requirements for (at that time) S/390 Architectur
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