In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/16/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Are you drunk,
That's it!
When you cannot tackle the argument, tackle the arguer.
Humor is such a subtle thing! Youi failed to note that you had just
done the same thing to me.
That is one of the most
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/16/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You deliberately chopped my message to make it look like an error.
You're lying.
Name one OS that does not allow you to display the contents of a
file to your screen,
Why? I didn't say that there was such
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
04/13/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
Your point is in error.
I was told that LIST was an invalid description of what the command
did. What word would you pick?
For cat? Catenate. That's what it
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/13/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Excuse me?
List/type/cat displays a file to the STDOUT.
Neither list nor type are cat, and cat does *not* display a file; it
copies a sequence of files to STDOUT.
Are you saying that that is an incorrect
My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
Your point is in error.
You deliberately chopped my message to make it look like an error.
Name one OS that does not allow you to display the contents of a file to your
screen, and also is a productive OS.
I was told that LIST was an invalid
Are you drunk,
That's it!
When you cannot tackle the argument, tackle the arguer.
That is one of the most insulting comments I have ever heard from a so-called
professional.
You obviously did not want to see my point.
Not everybody is as learned and professional as you, Seymour.
Not
Ted,
You'll have to try harder with sorting out this timing issue with your ISP.
It's quite impossible to follow a prize fight with the punches out of
sequence.
Chris Mason
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/11/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I was giving 'reasonable' substitutes, ie: what it does.
Print is *not* what it does. It catenates its inputs into standard
output, and in this case standard output was a pipe. The function of
that cat was a
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/12/2006
at 08:14 AM, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I place it right up there with the TSO line mode edit command - when
you have a *really* broken install, you need a tool of last resort.
Other than being line mode, TSO EDIT is a *lot* more user friendly
than vi.
Print is *not* what it does.
These arguments would be more interesting if you read my post(s).
I originally said:
cat -- list ...
Where was the word PRINT?
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Yeha, that works on my Intel Linux systems, but on my VM-hosted ones, if things
are that broken, then I'm probably in 3270 mode and even vi doesn't work;
that's when I find myself trying to remember how to use ed.
Jon
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Other than being line mode, TSO EDIT is a *lot* more user friendly
than vi. But if you're working on multiple Unix systems, it's useful
to know an editor that will always be there.
Then there are the people who actually like the thing. De
Darren Evans-Young wrote:
[...]
vi used to be the only editor included on standard Unix installations.
Now, the vendors include other editors. However, if you have to boot from
the CD to recover a system in single user mode, vi is usually the only
editor available. You better know if you need to
On a few of our unix boxes, we actually have ISPF installed for a few
crippled mainframers who have to do work on unix. Personally, I feel
*when in Rome, ...*
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On a few of our unix
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/12/2006
at 04:39 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Presonally I prefer ed, because I can work with it.
vi includes ed.
I cannot use vi. I use computers for years, people say, I'm not
idiot.
I would be the last person to defend vi[1], but an awful lot of people
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
04/12/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I originally said:
cat -- list ...
Okay, then list is not what it does.
Where was the word PRINT?
Print is usually synonymous with list in DP circles, and since the
statement is wrong either way, ...
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Print is usually synonymous with list in DP circles, and since the statement
is wrong either way, ...
Excuse me?
List/type/cat displays a file to the STDOUT.
Are you saying that that is an incorrect statement?
Are we arguing semantics?
What word would you like to use to say:
Take the
On 4/12/06, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excuse me?
List/type/cat displays a file to the STDOUT.
Are you saying that that is an incorrect statement?
Most UNIX comands display their output to STDOUT. The normal behavior
of cat is to print its *output* to STDOUT. However it's reason
However it's reason
d'etre is indicated by its name, short for catenate. It's purpose is
to take multiple files and catenate all the input into a single output
stream.
And, catenate is intuitive?
My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
I was told that LIST was an invalid description of
On 4/12/06, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
I was told that LIST was an invalid description of what the command did.
What word would you pick?
I would use
grep '.*'
or perhaps
awk '{print}'
or you could even just use
dd
and leave out
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/10/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
But, my point has been since I was first introduced to UNIX in 1976,
that a lot of UNIX is not intuitive.
True, but it's not as cryptic as you make out.
cat -- list
No. Cat is catenate. It's no more print
In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:59:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
pronounce it vile. Some people swear by vi, others swear at it ;-)
Think even Bill Joy(the author) was quoted as saying. Can't believe anybody
still uses it. But it's on every Unix system.
If
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT
No. Cat is catenate.
Catenate doesn't mean anything to the uninitiated.
Whereas IEBGENER is intuitively obvious? Get real! Catenate
at least appears in a collegiate level English dictionary;
it comes from
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 10:10 -0400, Ed Finnell wrote:
pronounce it vile. Some people swear by vi, others swear at it ;-)
Think even Bill Joy(the author) was quoted as saying. Can't believe anybody
still uses it. But it's on every Unix system.
If you've ever met him, he's got large hands
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