Edward Jaffe wrote:
Mark Post wrote:
IBM has not been subject to any Consent Decrees for (probably) decades.
Decades??? Don't you work for IBM??? Don't all IBM employees know this
history?
Sorry, Mark. I see you work for Novell.
The provisions of the consent decree were lifted in stag
Mark Post wrote:
IBM has not been subject to any Consent Decrees for (probably) decades.
Decades??? Don't you work for IBM??? Don't all IBM employees know this
history?
The provisions of the consent decree were lifted in stages, over a
five-year period, from 1996 through 2001.
http://ww
>>> On 10/20/2009 at 2:48 PM, "Thompson, Steve"
wrote:
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> So, one last thing that has not been discussed in this thread to this
> point (that I've read at least: Consent Degrees and the possible
> violation of same
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> If IBM were found to be violating these...
IBM has not been subj
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On 19 Oct 2009 13:47:18 -0700, steve_thomp
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On 19 Oct 2009 13:47:18 -0700, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:
>Please tell me what you consider to be malicious actions.
>
>Would suing a company and then buying them out to keep from losing the
>case meet your definition?
Not mine.You can't buy a company that doesn't ac
; 10/19/2009 4:42 PM >>>
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On 20 Oct 2009 06:45:04 -0700, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Edward
Jaffe) wrote:
>This capitalist society has anti-trust laws. Hopefully, they will be
>applied fairly before it's too late.
What would you expect this enforcement to mandate?How will our
society benefit?
As I mentioned earlier
; "Thompson, Steve" 10/19/2009 4:42 PM >>>
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Hadaway, John wrote:
It is not malicious...just common sense business practices in a
capitalist society. Although others might think otherwise.
This capitalist society has anti-trust laws. Hopefully, they will be
applied fairly before it's too late.
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:14 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote:
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>>Would refusing to license your software on machines other than wha
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:14 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote:
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>
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>>Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you
>>produce go toward malicious actions?
>>
>>Would refusing to license your software for runn
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Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the
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Fletcher, Kevin wrote:
So would an unscheduled IPL be like GOTO DIRECTLY TO JAIL, DO NOT PASS
GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200. :-) (sorry for the all CAPS, not trying to
yell).
Thanks,
Kevin Fletcher (317) 817-3545
Transition Coordinator
z/OS, DB2, AS400 support
Conseco, LLC
Interesting title; wha
So would an unscheduled IPL be like GOTO DIRECTLY TO JAIL, DO NOT PASS
GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200. :-) (sorry for the all CAPS, not trying to
yell).
Thanks,
Kevin Fletcher (317) 817-3545
Transition Coordinator
z/OS, DB2, AS400 support
Conseco, LLC
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Way too early for a Friday thread.
Tokens
Vacuum tube
Punch card
Plug board
Core plane
Reel tape
Various mainframe replicas
and of course a 'CA' token to gobble up all the vendor 'streets'
.
Houses = CECs
Hotels = Parallel Sysplex
And you c
Make that "Systems Programmer Edition"
(4) Water Works and Electric Company - Change to Leibert and UPS
(5) Chance and Community Chest - Parallel Sysplex and GDPS
(6) Poor Tax to IPLA products
(7) Green properties to latest OS'
(8) Broadwalk
Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the
competition /IBM There is your answer.
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IBM's competitors essentially handed a monopoly t
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Ward, Mike S wrote:
I seem to recall a company called Magnuson that had a compatible
4331/41/81 I don't remember which model.
A salesman took us to a customer to show off their machine, but
I recall it as Magnusson? At the time we were planning an
upgrade from two 4341s to 4381s. About the o
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> Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the
> competition
It all depends on your definition of a mainframe. If one defines
mainframe as "IBM compatible", then the answer is none. If mai
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Personally I would love to see "Mainframe Monopoly" :
(1) All the
On 19 Oct 2009 09:07:57 -0700, cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca (Clark
Morris) wrote:
>I would assume that the Unisys offerings that are descendants of the
>Burroughs B5000 and Univac 2200 would be considered mainframes
>although definitely NOT compatible with the z series.
When someone assumes mainfram
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To quote one of our members:
Mainframe - An obsolete device still used by thousands of obsolete companies,
serving billions of obsolete customers, and makin
Back a few years ago, our then-CIO had a "Windows only" conversion desire.
UNISYS was going to supply the hardware. Some other company (forget which) was
going to convert __all__ our application code (batch, CICS) in every language
(HLASM, COBOL, EasyTrievePlus, REXX, etc) and JCL to something "
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> Who else produces mainframes What is the m
> Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the
> competition
It all depends on your definition of a mainframe. If one defines mainframe as
"IBM compatible", then the answer is none. If mainframe means a wicked powerful
computer, then there are a number of them. Remember
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Steve Thompson wrote
Who else produces mainframes What is the market
On 19 Oct 2009 00:40:21 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>Is water wet?
>IBM is the only supplier of both hardware (CPC) and software (OS).
>Example results:
>zHPF
>Early stages of PAV
>SCRT
>SSD support in DFSMS
>DFSMS support for tape libraries
I would assume that the Unisys offerings
On 19 Oct 2009 07:01:48 -0700, esst...@juno.com (esst...@juno.com)
wrote:
>Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the
>competition /IBM There is your answer.
>mace
The question now is whether "mainframe" is a legitimate category of
computer.Go to our computer
Steve Thompson wrote
Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the
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Who else produces mainframes What is the
McKown, John pisze:
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Is water wet?
IBM is the only
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&g
Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the
competition /IBM There is your answer.
mace
2009/10/19 R.S.
> Is water wet?
> IBM is the only supplier of both hardware (CPC) and software (OS).
> Example results:
> zHPF
> Early stages of PAV
> SCRT
> SSD support in D
Is water wet?
IBM is the only supplier of both hardware (CPC) and software (OS).
Example results:
zHPF
Early stages of PAV
SCRT
SSD support in DFSMS
DFSMS support for tape libraries
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Blog entry on this subject at Insurance Networking News:
Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
Jeff Goldberg
Insurance Experts' Forum, October 15, 2009
http://www.insurancenetworking.com/blogs/insurance_technology_mainframes_antitrust_IBM_monopoly_servers-23399-1.html
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