GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-25 Thread Yi Ming
Hi, In gm130103 (system managed CF structure duplexing) it recommends that you do not duplex CF structure data between CF located in different sites. Because CF structure data is not preserved in a failover situation. But I was under the impression a multi-site GDPS/PPRC environment is suppose

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... But I was under the impression a multi-site GDPS/PPRC environment is suppose to offer continous availability, how does it do it if both CF are at one site and the site destroyed. ... GDPS is evolving. It hasn't reached that ideal state you are looking for. So far, if I recall correctly, only

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-25 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- But I was under the impression a multi-site GDPS/PPRC environment is suppose to offer continous availability, how does it do it if both CF are at one site and the site destroyed. If you're using dedicated standalone CF (not ICF), why whould it matter if the CF were local or physically re

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- GDPS is evolving. It hasn't reached that ideal state you are looking for. So far, if I recall correctly, only the SYSPLEX timers and the DASD are truly in synch. And, DASD is not bi-directional (yet) for the same volume. -- snip -- Ted, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "not bi-di

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... Ted, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "not bi-directional". ... It means I can only update at one site and back up to another. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscrib

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ron Hawkins
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:01:31 +0200, John Ticic <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INFORMATIK.DE> wrote: >A prerequisite is that the PPRC feature is available on both subsystems. > >Discalaimer : My basis is IBM ESS. Ron - you could give us the HDS view. > >John. > John, The HDS Point of view is the same as IBM

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ron Hawkins
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >Ted, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "not bi-directional". >... >It means I can only update at one site and back up to another. > >-teD > >In God we Trust! >All others bring data! > -- W. Edwards Deming > Ted,

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... If I understand your response correctly, you mean that I can't have two boxes connected doing Remote Copy in both directions at the same time? ... No, I meant at the volume level. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming ---

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- ... If I understand your response correctly, you mean that I can't have two boxes connected doing Remote Copy in both directions at the same time? ... No, I meant at the volume level. -- snip -- Ted, if I understand you correctly, Volume A in Site 1 is mirror to Site 2 as A'. In Site

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... If this is what you mean, then I can't see any sense in doing it. Could you clarify with an example? ... One direction: One site has IMS sharing with another site. A transaction comes into site 1, and is shipped to site 2 (primary DASD), I/O is done at site 2, backed up at site one (synchronou

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
half Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 8:00 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: GDPS CF duplexing > > ... > If this is what you mean, then I can't see any sense in doing it. Could > you > clarify with an example? > ... > One direction: > >

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Yi Ming
Hi, With regards to CF, if the failure where not a DASD failure but rather a CF failure. Given CF are at each site, and we're recommended not to duplex. How or under what conditions are we suppose to do CF duplexing ? Looks like high availability parallel sysplex CF duplexing is broken when we go g

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-28 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- After the short discussion which followed with regards to mirroring I now have a new question Asynchronous Cascading PPRC ------ --- --- | PPRC pri| PPRC SYNC | PPRC sec| PPRC-XD | XD sec | |FlashCopy| | |--->