Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Relson
I know the specific macro that caused (or rather, obscured) my problem was IEFJFCBN, but there were at least two or three others with the same feature -- perhaps one was CVT. I had presumed you were talking about non-mapping macros. IEFJFCBN and CVT and many others simply default to LIST=NO

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-24 Thread Charles Mills
the offsets in some DSECT. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today I know the specific

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-24 Thread Tony Harminc
On 24 February 2010 11:52, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: What's the big deal? you say. Any experienced assembler programmer should be able to figure that out. But that's only true if you have a clue where the error might be. Here's the situation I was in: a whole bunch of brand new

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofaee62f43.70af0c31-on852576d4.004a6e5c-852576d4.00542...@us.ibm.com, on 02/24/2010 at 10:19 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said: I had presumed you were talking about non-mapping macros. IEFJFCBN and CVT and many others simply default to LIST=NO which is what many coders desire.

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 01bb01cab42e$08768200$196386...@org, on 02/22/2010 at 06:15 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: Perhaps someone else has a better justification or a better resolution? Is there some reason to rule out the obvious justification: holding down the size of the assembly listing? Of course,

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 2/22/2010 9:15 PM, Charles Mills wrote: rant Many of the IBM-supplied storage definition macros and copy members have gained PRINT OFF statements over the years. As a result I had the infuriating situation of having an assembly that was generating an RC=8 but with no error messages in the

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Peter Relson
Yeah, give me my deserved grief for dropping the I in IBM from the subject. Some day I'll learn how to cut paste... Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Charles Mills
...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today On 2/22/2010 9:15 PM, Charles Mills wrote: rant Many of the IBM-supplied storage definition macros and copy members have gained

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Thompson, Steve
ETR - Since it hides the error message, seems to be a problem that is APARable. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: IBM-caused needless

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Charles Mills
@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today ETR - Since it hides the error message, seems to be a problem that is APARable. s/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Bill Godfrey
The IEFJFCBN and CVT macros have had PRINT OFF at least as far back as MVS 3.8, so for these macros the PRINT OFF was not gained over any very recent years. In both macros, specifying LIST=YES avoids the PRINT OFF, as you no doubt would have found if you had followed your inclination, which you

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Charles Mills
, February 23, 2010 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today The IEFJFCBN and CVT macros have had PRINT OFF at least as far back as MVS 3.8, so for these macros the PRINT OFF was not gained over any very recent years. In both macros, specifying LIST

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Bill Godfrey
: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today The IEFJFCBN and CVT macros have had PRINT OFF at least as far back as MVS 3.8, so for these macros the PRINT OFF was not gained over any very recent years. In both macros, specifying LIST=YES avoids the PRINT OFF, as you no doubt would have found if you had

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Charles Mills
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Godfrey Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today I agree. You're preaching to the choir. My main point

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today What's wrong with PRINT NOGEN? Inventing one's own

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- Yeah, give me my deserved grief for dropping the I in IBM from the subject. Some day I'll learn how to cut paste... Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-23 Thread Jack . Hamilton
to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] IBM-caused needless aggravation for today -snip--- Yeah, give me my deserved grief for dropping the I in IBM from

IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-22 Thread Charles Mills
rant Many of the IBM-supplied storage definition macros and copy members have gained PRINT OFF statements over the years. As a result I had the infuriating situation of having an assembly that was generating an RC=8 but with no error messages in the listing. I was getting more and more

Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today

2010-02-22 Thread zMan
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: rant You're of course correct. Dunno if it will make you feel any better, but a lot of Open Source stuff is worse: not just at compilation but *at startup*. Postgres, for example, at least used to suppress all startup