...
C'mon, mainframes ARE expensive, no doubt. Mainframe is more expensive
than a PC, even with bubble jet printer, 19 LCD screen, double layer
DVD-R and bunch of Kill everyone games.
Windows XP, even Professional is cheaper than z/OS.
...
Maybe, but when I have to buy 11,500 PC's for
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/16/2005
at 08:42 PM, SArnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Up until 10 years ago, I still had Star Trek in PL/I on 1,800 80
column cards. It ran from the console in DOS/VS.
How about Adventure?
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ISO position;
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/17/2005
at 10:07 AM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
- I wanted to simplify the information.
Making incorrect claims is not simplifying the information.
1M$ is also simplification,
No, it's just wrong.
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on 5/17/05 9:20 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/16/2005
at 08:42 PM, SArnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Up until 10 years ago, I still had Star Trek in PL/I on 1,800 80
column cards. It ran from the console in DOS/VS.
How about
This is more of a Friday question, but I got busy Friday and didn't have
time to post. At my son's school, they are having parents come in and
talk to the class about their jobs. It's heartwarming that my son is
proud of me and wants me to come in and speak, but I'm at somewhat
nervous about
In a message dated 5/16/2005 9:37:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What props or visual aids would you use to illustrate work
that mostly goes on inside either our brains or our computers? Any
ideas you have will be appreciated.
Tell them you are friends with
Somehow I don't think that HiperSockets will be as
exciting to them as they were to me when I first heard about them.
Kids are excited by big words like hipersockets.
How do you explain such a technical occupation to young
children? What props or visual aids would you use to illustrate work
all the T-Rex 'Mainframes: we're back and we're pissed' t-Shirts
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I know I'd be piss'd if somebody gave my 8-year old a T-Shirt with that word
on it!
Get them all the T-Rex 'Mainframes: we're back and we're pissed' t-Shirts
Ted MacNEIL
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Isn't just the same as explaining it to the executive team? You have to know
your audience and explain it to them in terms they understand. The network
guys( gals) have used road networks, and the mail system to explain their
ideas. For our scout troop we used a simple logic gate made from
, May 16, 2005 10:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Systems Programming for 8 Year-olds
In a message dated 5/16/2005 9:37:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What props or visual aids would you use to illustrate work
that mostly goes on inside either
2005 16:25
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Systems Programming for 8 Year-olds
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Leon Schwering
Isn't just the same as explaining it to the executive team?
You have to know your audience and explain it to them
Not that this will work for 8 year olds, but, when explaining what a
systems programmer does, I have always said that we maintain the
software that allow programmers to do their jobs.
Richard Heritage wrote:
This is more of a Friday question, but I got busy Friday and didn't have
time to post.
I gave up a looong time ago trying to explain what a system programmer
does. I just say I'm a programmer.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/05 11:33AM
Not that this will work for 8 year olds, but, when explaining what a
systems programmer does, I have always said that we maintain the
software
in computing!
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In a message dated 5/16/2005 9:37:23 A.M. Central
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 10:32:02AM -0500, Compton, John wrote:
I still think the way MCP was depicted in Tron is the best simile.
A big stern 'something' whirling round and round letting (or making) things
happen as it sees fit.
Uhm, but why didn't the ENCOM mainframe enter a disabled wait
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Systems Programming for 8 Year-olds
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 10:32:02AM -0500, Compton, John wrote:
I still think the way MCP was depicted in Tron is the
best simile.
A big stern 'something' whirling round and round letting
(or making) things
happen as it sees
] On
Behalf Of Jay Maynard
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Systems Programming for 8 Year-olds
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 10:32:02AM -0500, Compton, John wrote:
I still think the way MCP was depicted in Tron is the best simile.
A big stern 'something
Or shooting rubber bands and paper clips into the acoustic ceiling.
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Sent: Monday May 16 2005 08:36
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Hey
I'll have to check with the teacher on that one. ;-)
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Or shooting rubber bands and paper clips into the acoustic ceiling.
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Fortunately I wasn't eating or drinking when I read this. lol, as the
kids say.
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Isn't just the same as explaining it to the executive team?
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I like that--it would help convey that my computer does a lot of
things for a lot of people at the same time. Using this analogy, a PC
is more like a drive-through window at McDonalds. Thanks.
Richard.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/05 11:25 AM
How about something like a visual depicting a team of
I've used that explanation with adults and still gotten blank looks.
Nowadays I just say I'm a software engineer--simpler for all concerned.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/05 11:33 AM
Not that this will work for 8 year olds, but, when explaining what a
systems programmer does, I have always said
Jim--
Thanks for the good ideas. I had to replace a NIC over the weekend, so
I'm going to pass around the old one. I also have a broken 486 in the
basement that I'll take the cover off so they can see the insides.
Richard.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/05 11:58 AM
Richard,
I think Lock brought
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richard Heritage
I like that--it would help convey that my computer does a
lot of things for a lot of people at the same time. Using
this analogy, a PC is more like a drive-through window at
McDonalds. Thanks.
I had similar situation: My son had to prepare some presentation and he
chose mainframes as the topic.
I delivered some pictures (BTW:I spent almost 1 hour to find in Internet
good picture of punched card, and next half when searching for BIG photo
of z/990 !!!), some funny facts - like
In
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on 05/16/2005
at 11:27 AM, Porowski, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Get a mess of beads and string and see who can string up 1K of core
the fastest?
Tug of war with 100' Grey BusTag?
Write Protect ring toss?
Pulling the rings apart.
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on 05/16/2005
at 11:10 AM, Porowski, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Before there was Xbox,
Before there was GameBoy,
Before there was Playstation,
Before there were PC's,
Before there were calculators,
There were Mainframes.
Calculators (both analog and digital) are older
In a message dated 5/16/2005 7:46:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Picture of a punch card ?..I still got somemy wife uses them for
shopping lists !
If you hold your mouth right can feed them thru an all in one
device to get printed copies! Can use the
Here in Oz (Australia) most of our betting shops tracks used the 96
column card.
So, most of our punters (old and young) are familar with marking their
selections on cards with a pen!
All we need is to change their focus from losing to earning a living -
sounds simple!
Robert McCormack
Up until 10 years ago, I still had Star Trek in PL/I on 1,800 80 column
cards. It ran from the console in DOS/VS.
Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 5/16/2005 7:46:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Picture of a punch card ?..I still got somemy wife uses them
In a message dated 5/16/2005 8:43:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Up until 10 years ago, I still had Star Trek in PL/I on 1,800 80 column
cards. It ran from the console in DOS/VS.
Think Darren still has Trek on his Web site(or a close proximity).
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