Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0342014919725794.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 03/28/2012 at 09:10 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Quite so. Which is the reason I think FTP is in error for claiming the data contain an invalid code point. Did FTP make such a claim, opr did you misunderstand the

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:38:33 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 0342014919725794.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 03/28/2012 at 09:10 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Quite so. Which is the reason I think FTP is in error for claiming the data contain an invalid code

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0437689456600514.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 03/29/2012 at 02:55 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: and it was further abridged when you quoted it. I quoted it from your message, not from a web site. I don't see where I deleted any relevant text. The larger sequence

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1000645908993586.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 03/27/2012 at 01:03 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: WTF!? Didn't Shmuel tell us that UTF-8 contains all of Unicode? Yes, but I said nothiong about either IBM-424 or IBM-1047. Is there an easy way to find what code point

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:39:26 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: WTF!? Didn't Shmuel tell us that UTF-8 contains all of Unicode? Yes, but I said nothiong about either IBM-424 or IBM-1047. Is there an easy way to find what code point it's choking on? Also, I thought that you wanted to

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-27 Thread גדי בן אבי
] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:22:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: I tried quote site encoding=m quote site mbdataconn=(IBM-424,UTF-8) and got: 504 MULTI-BYTE ENCODING

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:25:43 +0200, #1490;#1491;#1497; #1489;#1503; #1488;#1489;#1497; gad...@malam.com wrote: The file http://gadib.tripod.com/images/ibm-424.xmit is a xmitted PDS containing one member. The text is in IBM-424. The text in the line below new code is in Hebrew. IT should start

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-27 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:03:14 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: ftp quote site sbdataconn=(IBM-424,UTF-8) 200-Some characters cannot be translated between UTF-8 and IBM-424 200 SITE command was accepted ftp get TEST.TESTPRT(TESTPRT) local: TEST.TESTPRT(TESTPRT) remote: TEST.TESTPRT(TESTPRT) 229

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:43:18 -0500, Norbert Friemel wrote: UTF-8 is a variable-width encoding (1 to 4 Bytes/octets per character), it's not a single byte character set. sbdataconn specifies single byte encoding. Use site encoding=mbcs and site mbdataconn=(IBM-424,UTF-8) to specify multibyte

z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread גדי בן אבי
Can anyone show me how to transfer a file from z/OS to windows using the windows ftp client so that the resulting file on windows is Unicode. The source file on z/OS will be EBCDIC. We are using z/OS v1.11. Unicode services are enabled on z/OS. Thanks Gadi

AW: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Uwe Oswald
@bama.ua.edu Betreff: z/OS ftp and Unicode Can anyone show me how to transfer a file from z/OS to windows using the windows ftp client so that the resulting file on windows is Unicode. The source file on z/OS will be EBCDIC. We are using z/OS v1.11. Unicode services are enabled on z/OS. Thanks Gadi

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread גדי בן אבי
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: AW: z/OS ftp and Unicode Hi, have had a similar problem a couple of months ago. Here are some words where you might find further informations. quote site encoding=m quote site mbdataconn=(IBM-870,UTF-8) If you do a transfer from your host to a pc the command should

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread McKown, John
and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of ??? ?? ??? Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: z/OS ftp and Unicode Can anyone show me how to transfer a file from

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread גדי בן אבי
and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of ??? ?? ??? Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: z/OS ftp and Unicode Can anyone show me how to transfer

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread McKown, John
Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of ??? ?? ??? Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode I'm not sure what you mean buy CCSID, but the data

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Of ??? ?? ??? Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode I'm not sure what you mean buy CCSID, but the data is encoded in IBM-424 EBCDIC - Hebrew New Code. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread גדי בן אבי
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:12 AM, McKown, John wrote: I don't know if this will help, but I did the following (but I don't have anything actually in IBM-424) Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. ftp lih1

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:12 AM, McKown, John wrote: I don't know if this will help, but I did the following (but I don't have anything actually

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread גדי בן אבי
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:12 AM, McKown, John wrote: I don't know if this will help, but I did the following (but I

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
GADI_B wrote: 504 MULTI-BYTE ENCODING NOT SUPPORTED FOR RECFM=FB Does anyone know of a limitation like this? Look at EZZ9797I description in 'z/OS Communications Server IP Messages: Volume 4 (EZZ, SNM)' Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread גדי בן אבי
, March 26, 2012 3:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode GADI_B wrote: 504 MULTI-BYTE ENCODING NOT SUPPORTED FOR RECFM=FB Does anyone know of a limitation like this? Look at EZZ9797I description in 'z/OS Communications Server IP Messages: Volume 4 (EZZ, SNM)' Groete

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread גדי בן אבי
I might be able to, but the whole point is to do it a simple as possible. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:50 AM, גדי בן אבי wrote: Hi again, I transferred a VB file

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Lloyd Fuller
: Mon, March 26, 2012 9:27:58 AM Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode The last message I got said: 504 MULTI-BYTE ENCODING NOT SUPPORTED FOR RECFM=FB Does anyone know of a limitation like this? Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Lloyd Fuller
you need UTF-32. Lloyd - Original Message From: Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 9:18:17 AM Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:12 AM, McKown, John wrote: I don't know if this will help, but I did the following

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Sam Siegel
for an overview. See Lloyd - Original Message From: Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 9:18:17 AM Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:12 AM, McKown, John wrote: I don't know if this will help, but I did the following

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
- UTF-16) CU41 (UTF-32 - UTF-8) CU14 (UTF-8 - UTF-32) CU21 (UTF-16 - UTF-8) CU12 (UTF-8 - UTF-16) - Original Message From: Steve Comstockst...@trainersfriend.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 9:18:17 AM Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:12 AM, McKown

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 for an overview. See Lloyd - Original Message From: Steve Comstockst...@trainersfriend.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 9:18:17 AM Subject: Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode On 3/26/2012 7:12 AM, McKown, John wrote: I don't know

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread McKown, John
I found this page to be interesting. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pcomhelp/v5r9/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.pcomm.doc/reference/html/hcp_reference15.htm It shows IBM-424 Hebrew code page. What is most interesting to me, is the that the code page appears to be a single byte character

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
On 3/26/2012 8:57 AM, McKown, John wrote: I found this page to be interesting. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pcomhelp/v5r9/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.pcomm.doc/reference/html/hcp_reference15.htm It shows IBM-424 Hebrew code page. Yes. It's an EBCDIC code page What is most

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:41:50 +0200, #1490;#1491;#1497; #1489;#1503; #1488;#1489;#1497; wrote: I am trying to transfer a file (PDS member) from z/OS to windows, so this shouldn't be an issue. Is IBM-424 a multibyte CP? If not, this should be a reportable defect. -- gil

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:09:48 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: Get it working, put it in a script (REXX, CLIST, shell script); then one line to invoke the script. Simple. The quote site ... earlier in the thread suggests that the OP wanted to be able to operate the process from the PC side. -- gil

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock
On 3/26/2012 9:57 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:09:48 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: Get it working, put it in a script (REXX, CLIST, shell script); then one line to invoke the script. Simple. The quote site ... earlier in the thread suggests that the OP wanted to be able to

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:57:45 -0500, McKown, John wrote: Hebrew doesn't seem to be in UTF-8, looking here: http://www.utf8-chartable.de/ .de isn't the first place I'd look for Hebrew. And, as Steve pointed out, UTF-8 is effectively a transfer-encoding, not restricting the repertoire of Unicode.

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

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Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4f7094d1.3010...@trainersfriend.com, on 03/26/2012 at 10:09 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said: Perhaps so. Then a .bat file; or a REXX script if he has Personal REXX. Or any other Rexx implementation, e.g., OOREXX, Regina. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1332772048.4824.yahoomai...@web180914.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 03/26/2012 at 07:27 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said: UNICODE does, but not necessarily subsets of the full UNICODE. UTF-8 is a subset and UTF-16 is a subset. No, they are transforms, capable of representing all

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1332771629.88027.yahoomai...@web180910.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 03/26/2012 at 07:20 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said: Depending upon the characters used, some of the UTF-8 characters are really 16-bits. For large values of 16. The Unicode - UTF-8 mapping is Char. number range

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:22:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: I tried quote site encoding=m quote site mbdataconn=(IBM-424,UTF-8) and got: 504 MULTI-BYTE ENCODING NOT SUPPORTED FOR RECFM=FB I'm curious: where might I find a sample of valid IBM-424 code to experiment with? (Damn Listserv!

Re: z/OS ftp and Unicode

2012-03-26 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:50:19 +0200, #1490;#1491;#1497; #1489;#1503; #1488;#1489;#1497; wrote: Hi again, I transferred a VB file, and it was transferred OK. Is there any way to transfer FB from z/OS while creating a Unicode file in windows? For Unicode encoding UCS-2 (little-endian byte