Re: Help with DF-Sort not being able to allocat enough work data set space

2012-10-04 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Peter Hunkeler wrote: However, as I said, there is currently no way to change DFSPARM individually for each instance before it is run. They all use the same. How so? Are they sharing some dataset/JCL/Proc? Or is DFSPARM in an area in a COBOL module? Next steps might be to modify the design

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 23:09:01 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: Yep. The MVS 380 project ran into that. Empty lines were stored as 1 blank and could not remove without an error. Was this because of endemic BCTR; EX MVC processing? Of course, writing with BSAM you can control the RDWs; they aren't

Re: Has anyone taken out hardware support for z196 from anyone other than IBM

2012-10-04 Thread Timothy Sipples1
Aren't they under IBM warranty for the first year? Timothy Sipples Consulting Enterprise IT Architect (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

Re: Help with DF-Sort not being able to allocat enough work data set space

2012-10-04 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
How so? Are they sharing some dataset/JCL/Proc? Or is DFSPARM in an area in a COBOL module? I had a DF-Sort question and it was answered (sorted out so to say :-). Believe me, it's a complex and very dynamic system we're talking about here. I don't think it is useful to explain the gory

Re: Is there a way to RMM deletevolume a volser from a VTL that is no longer available?

2012-10-04 Thread Mike Wood
Mike, I dont have a means to test each of these, but, working from memory about the design and implementation in rmm - If the TCDB entries still existed, you could simply add the NOEJECT operand to the DV commands - so that no attempt is made to go to the library. However, since you have

Re: Has anyone taken out hardware support for z196 from anyone other than IBM

2012-10-04 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Timothy Sipples1 sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Aren't they under IBM warranty for the first year? Timothy Sipples I thought it was a 3 year minimum. Its only

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
Then again ... Why would a rational programmer cause an empty record to be written in the first place? To give the programmer writing the code to process the data a little something extra to do? To make sure the testers are doing their job? What? Vacation Notice: None Tom Puddicombe

Re: Has anyone taken out hardware support for z196 from anyone other than IBM

2012-10-04 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 05:16:02 -0500, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was a 3 year minimum. Its only been out for 2 years. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? Nope ..1 year for CPU and generally 3 or 4 years for DASD

Re: How can we get the normalization factors R723NFFI / R723NFFS / SMF70NRM numbers out of RMF?

2012-10-04 Thread Daniel Jacot
If you really want to find this value in RMF, you have to look at R791NFFS which is a field in SMF type 79 (RMF II), subtype 1 (Address Space State Data). Since it's not listed in the RMF tool in ISPF, you have to call the RMF interface ERBSMFI and interpret its output. Nice little programming

Re: How can we get the normalization factors R723NFFI / R723NFFS / SMF70NRM numbers out of RMF?

2012-10-04 Thread Rob Scott
For what it is worth, the normalization figures are also in IWMWRCAA and IWMWRQAA which map the areas returned by the WLM services IWMRCOLL and IWMRQRY respectively. Note that both services require supervisor state or execution key 0-7 Rob Scott Lead Developer Rocket Software 77 Fourth Avenue

Re: How can we get the normalization factors R723NFFI / R723NFFS / SMF70NRM numbers out of RMF?

2012-10-04 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
Thanks Daniel for your gentle offer, but my customer doesn't work with PL/I. Cheers, jan On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Daniel Jacot daniel.ja...@axa-tech.comwrote: If you really want to find this value in RMF, you have to look at R791NFFS which is a field in SMF type 79 (RMF II), subtype 1

Re: Is there a way to RMM deletevolume a volser from a VTL that is no longer available?

2012-10-04 Thread Mike Bieganski
On Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:43:12 AM UTC-5, Michael Wood wrote: Mike, I dont have a means to test each of these, but, working from memory about the design and implementation in rmm - If the TCDB entries still existed, you could simply add the NOEJECT operand to the DV commands - so

Re: How can we get the normalization factors R723NFFI / R723NFFS / SMF70NRM numbers out of RMF?

2012-10-04 Thread Daniel Jacot
OK, a colleague of mine pointed me to SVT_SUP_NORMALIZATION which is part of SVT which is addressed by CVT. The following REXX shows the factor: /* REXX */ /* - */ /* Get

More price rises for z/OS products

2012-10-04 Thread Roger Bowler
On Monday IBM announced further price rises for z/OS products: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/9/877/ENUSZA12-1059/index.html According to this announcement, prices for WebSphere for z/OS as well as sundry Websphere, Tivoli, and DB2 tools will rise by 5% in UK and South Africa, and 3%

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Charles Mills
Who knows? Because it made sense to the programmer. We put lots of empty lines in these e-mails. (Technically they contain one or two delimiter characters, but from a reader's point of view they are zero length.) I'm going to write a file of 100 records, with each record containing the Widget ID

Tivoli SA

2012-10-04 Thread Uwe Oswald
Hi, does someone have any experience if IBM System Automation requires Netview as a standalone (licensed) product or comes SA with a small, own Netview incorporated already? Thx Uwe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Has anyone taken out hardware support for z196 from anyone other than IBM

2012-10-04 Thread Roger Bowler
On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:04:38 -0500, Peter Gammage peter_a_gamm...@standardlife.com wrote: We currently have IBM Mainframe Hardware maintenance through a 3rd party and are considering options for how we do hardware maintenance of the next upgrade (z196 or z12 are most likely). So far have been

Re: Tivoli SA

2012-10-04 Thread Craig . Pace
IBM System Automation requires Netviewyou must license both. From: Uwe Oswald uwe.osw...@zit-consulting.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 10/04/2012 08:44 Subject:Tivoli SA Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Hi,

AW: Tivoli SA

2012-10-04 Thread Uwe Oswald
And with GDPS? GDPS as far as I know is Netview based too and for GDPS you have to pay also -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] Im Auftrag von craig.p...@fotlinc.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2012 15:46 An:

Re: How to get a tape's DSCB

2012-10-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0f2549fd-fa84-4602-9164-d30466d42...@aim.com, on 10/03/2012 at 08:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Oct 3, 2012, at 08:15, McKown, John wrote: It would be very difficult and have a lot of overhead to have IOS (not iOS) check every CCW chain for suspect CCWs. ...

Re: How to get a tape's DSCB

2012-10-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343722f8...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com, on 10/03/2012 at 04:01 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com said: It does need to be done for DASD. No; something different needs to be done. It is all handled by CCW prefixing. FSVI it; CCW prefixing

Re: Has anyone taken out hardware support for z196 from anyone other than IBM

2012-10-04 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
quote If IBM were to breach its commitments, the Commission could impose a fine of up to 10 per cent of IBM's total turnover without having to prove a violation of EU competition rules. /quote Without needing to prove anything was done wrong? NO room for abuse there, is there? Rex

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 07:09:02 -0400, Thomas H Puddicombe wrote: Then again ... Why would a rational programmer cause an empty record to be written in the first place? To give the programmer writing the code to process the data a little something extra to do? To make sure the testers are doing

Re: Tivoli SA

2012-10-04 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B)
GDPS is System Automation based, so yes, you need to pay for GDPS, SA and Netview. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Uwe Oswald Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: AW: Tivoli

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread John Gilmore
Charles Mills wrote: begin extract Why would a rational programmer cause an empty record to be written in the first place? end extract I can think of some reasons for doing so. They are, I suppose, few; but that is not, I think, the issue. I recently encountered an MFU-update application that

Message puzzle

2012-10-04 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi The following simple message puzzle occurred: Try to XMIT a dataset from the linklist in TSO: Step 1 Got IEB1130E A TERMINATING MESSAGE FROM PDSE PROCESSING APPEARS ABOVE -- DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION IS X'2822009F' Step 2 In LookAt unable to find IEB1130E, as only IEB1130I documented

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Charles Mills
Charles Mills did not write that; Thomas H Puddicombe did. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Zero length records

Re: Message puzzle

2012-10-04 Thread Charles Mills
Ain't it the truth. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Message puzzle Hi The following simple message puzzle

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread John Gilmore
Charles, My apologies. I should have known better. --jg On 10/4/12, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Charles Mills did not write that; Thomas H Puddicombe did. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John

Re: How to get a tape's DSCB

2012-10-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: No! The channel should pass CCW opcodes[1] on to the controller and let the controller handle them. [1] Other than TIC. note that more recent zHPF for FICON with TCW ... batch up multiple channel commands for download. this is similar

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:53:05 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: [Someone] wrote: begin extract Why would a rational programmer cause an empty record to be written in the first place? end extract Imaginative failures about what someone else may reasonably wish to do with a facility are common. Boundary

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread John Gilmore
Paul Gilmartin's begin extract Empty transaction file? Simply supply a null transaction. end extract rather begs the question. Some nuls are or have become unambiguous. A nul string, for example, has a length of zero. A nul file, as in DSN=NULLFILE, contains no record when it is read and

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2142487373662645.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/03/2012 at 04:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Sigh. Morons. Why did they do that!? It's like being back in old OS/360 which specified the minimum count field in an RDW as 5. For VBS, yes, but not for VB. --

Re: DFSMShsm Abend S878

2012-10-04 Thread Munish Sharma
Hello I have faced the same problem around 2 years back... I was told that this was just CPU's mess while talking to z/OS.. and it victimized DFSMShsm.. later one by one all the DB2 keep going down with same error... I thought IBM had fixed it... Best of luck with APAR...

Identify us of Enclave and ZIIP

2012-10-04 Thread Benjamin White
After someone read an article in CMG and ran reports and displayed enclaves in SDSF we see enclaves we did not expect. How can we identify the component or application that uses an enclave? How can we identify the ZIIP eligible feature that is using the ZIIP processor?

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:56:50 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 10/03/2012 at 04:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: Sigh. Morons. Why did they do that!? It's like being back in old OS/360 which specified the minimum count field in an RDW as 5. For VBS, yes, but not for VB. Are those current

Re: Problems defining log file files z/os v 1.13

2012-10-04 Thread Walter Davies
The only other message we get is IXG256I AN INCORRECT DATA SET SIZE WAS DETECTED, dssize IS USED. DATA SET: DSname. The error message indicates the dataset is too small but what we are allocating is bigger than 64k so it does not make sense. I am looking at the ACS routines to see if that is the

Re: DFSMShsm Abend S878

2012-10-04 Thread Thomas Conley
On 10/4/2012 4:39 PM, Munish Sharma wrote: Hello I have faced the same problem around 2 years back... I was told that this was just CPU's mess while talking to z/OS.. and it victimized DFSMShsm.. later one by one all the DB2 keep going down with same error... I thought IBM had fixed it...

Re: Identify us of Enclave and ZIIP

2012-10-04 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you have RMF, CMF or similar monitor, it should have a way to see the Enclaves. I am not sure what your second question is about. Could you clarify the following question with more detail? How can we identify the ZIIP eligible feature that is using the ZIIP processor? Lizette

Re: DFSMShsm Abend S878

2012-10-04 Thread Ray Overby
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Thomas Conley pinnc...@rochester.rr.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 17:10:51 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Design of Key Matching application

2012-10-04 Thread David Speake
One of my application programmers asked for information on design decision. Given two files that are not in order by the match key. Assuming the smaller file has at most one record per possible key value. Larger file may have multiple records for some keys and may also have values not found in

Re: Design of Key Matching application

2012-10-04 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you have DB2, I would load that into a DB2 table and use JOIN processing. Or if you have SAS, I would use PROC SQL. Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Speake Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:48

Re: Identify us of Enclave and ZIIP

2012-10-04 Thread Lizette Koehler
You are posting to both the IBMMAIN group as well as CICS. So I will comment on both. I am not clear what your questions are really asking, so instead, I will give a brief explanation of zIIP and some of the workload that can go to it. So long as your CEC is a z9 or above and the operating

Re: Message puzzle

2012-10-04 Thread Ed Gould
Look it up in your friendly MC:) Ed On Oct 4, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 10/4/2012 7:46 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: If it is so complicated, no wonder if Another Light goes out At least you can eventually figure out what happened. Try understanding this, especially without

Re: Design of Key Matching application

2012-10-04 Thread Ed Gould
David: It is a little more complicated than that. You have to start tuning the VSAM data set for proper CI size and a few other parameters. I believe there is a red book out there called something like Demystifying VSAM or something close maybe others can come up with the proper name. It

Re: Design of Key Matching application

2012-10-04 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Key questions 1. One of, or to be added to production? 2. Do any other programs use the files, i.e., what is the impact of changing the sequence or structure? On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:47:52 -0500 David Speake david.spe...@bcbssc.com wrote: :One of my application programmers asked for information

Re: Design of Key Matching application

2012-10-04 Thread retired mainframer
I would vote for the one that is the easiest to maintain because someone will surely want to change it long after everyone has forgotten the rationale for any decision. :: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :: Behalf Of David

IBM Software Price Announcements (Was: More price rises for z/OS products)

2012-10-04 Thread Timothy Sipples1
Here we go again. :-( I'll start by correcting the subject line. Fact: IBM already announced *exactly the same* price changes per Value Unit for all IBM Passport Advantage software products for Windows, Linux, UNIX, etc. So let's spend 3 seconds thinking about this, shall we? Since there's a

Re: Tivoli SA

2012-10-04 Thread Timothy Sipples1
There is GDPS-only restricted use licensing available for Tivoli System Automation and Tivoli NetView for z/OS which may be applicable depending on your situation. (Ask your IBM representative.) The IBM program numbers are 5698-A43 and 5698-A44 as I write this. Basically you would choose A43 if