Re: Paging Behaviour; was: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

2013-03-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 23:59 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paging Behaviour; was: Re: DFSORT Weirdness When we have done PAGEADD and PAGEDELs for Volume

Re: Paging Behaviour; was: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

2013-03-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Not true: Pre-PAV, you could(should) have only 1 page dataset per volume. With PAV, ASM ensured aliases to have access paths to all page datasets. Post-PAV, i.e. Hiperpav, ASM trusts Hiperpav to provide the access paths. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: DS6800 3390 quesation

2013-03-05 Thread Mike Schwab
3390 is a device type. -1, -2, -3, -9, -27, -54, etc are different sizes of 3390s. On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi Thank you very much, I'm just wandering, but the technician says, every device type needs a separate control unit

Re: DS6800 3390 quesation

2013-03-05 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Thank you The guy installing this, insists to have a different control unit for every size On 05.03.2013 12:25, Mike Schwab wrote: 3390 is a device type. -1, -2, -3, -9, -27, -54, etc are different sizes of 3390s. On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Miklos Szigetvari

Re: DS6800 3390 quesation

2013-03-05 Thread Carlos Bodra
Hi, In IOCP/IOCDS we didnĀ“t define volume type (3390-1, 3390-2, 3390-3, 3390-9 etc...), just define 3390. In DS6800 definition panels we define a runge of volumes with for example 3339 cyls for model 3 and another range with 10017 (model 9). Both ranges could be continuos addresses, 3390-3

Re: SDSF Rexx Issue - to copy SYSOUT into PDS

2013-03-05 Thread saurabh khandelwal
Thanks all for helping me . Its working now and able to collected Jobs in PDS members. Regards Saurabh On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:31 PM, saurabh khandelwal sourabhkhandelwal...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am trying to run SDSF rexx to copy SYSOUT into PDS present in Implementing REXX

Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread Jake anderson
Hello All, I am Installing a product in my Test Environment where already a back levelled version is running and the current product is of higher version. Can we assign the same SVC numbers to the same Product of two different Versions when two different Versions of same product are running

Re: Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
There is only 1 SVC module, how should it know for what release it has been called? Check with the vendor, it could be that the new SVC code is downward compatible with the old version. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On

Re: Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Jake anderson wrote: I am Installing a product in my Test Environment where already a back levelled version is running and the current product is of higher version. Can we assign the same SVC numbers to the same Product of two different Versions when two different Versions of same product are

Re: Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 17:53 +0530, Jake anderson wrote: Can we assign the same SVC numbers to the same Product of two different Versions when two different Versions of same product are running parallely If you named the product, someone with specific knowledge could help. For example: in my

Re: Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread Tom Ambros
Does the product give you the option of specifying the SVC number, a la Hogan? Thomas Ambros Operating Systems and Connectivity Engineering 518-436-6433 From: David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 03/05/2013 08:21 Subject:Re: Assigning Same

Re: Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
I'd be very surprised if it prescribed me how I hand out my SVC numbers... Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Ambros Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 14:48 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assigning Same

Re: Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cahtvvrwtjtyjz52ucey0sf5y6ukzdyq1qa9re_ksrzovym8...@mail.gmail.com, on 03/05/2013 at 05:53 PM, Jake anderson justmainfra...@gmail.com said: I am Installing a product in my Test Environment where already a back levelled version is running and the current product is of higher version. Can

Re: DS6800 3390 quesation

2013-03-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5135d788.2010...@isis-papyrus.com, on 03/05/2013 at 12:31 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com said: The guy installing this, insists to have a different control unit for every size That sounds like cargo-cult engineering. Have you considered going over his head and

Re: Assigning Same SVC Number

2013-03-05 Thread Jake anderson
Ask your vendor whether the new SVC routine supports the old version of the product. Yes it does... Thanks On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In cahtvvrwtjtyjz52ucey0sf5y6ukzdyq1qa9re_ksrzovym8...@mail.gmail.com, on 03/05/2013 at

Re: Paging Behaviour; was: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

2013-03-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
That's what I said. You'd get a message along the lines of: ... paging already active on volume pp ... - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Charles Mills
Yes. I'm looking for the documentation. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of DanD Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where current HLASM doc? Charles, Are you using the

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. This looks promising. Getting 504 Unable to communicate with back-end server for the documentation but will give it a try again later. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Rutledge Sent: Monday, March

Re: Paging Behaviour; was: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

2013-03-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
I don't understand what you mean. I said that you were always able to put more than one page dataset on a volume, but that is was stongly not recommended in the pre-PAV period, except for the small PLPA / large COMMON combination. I don't remember a message like the one you mention. Kees.

Re: LE dump (CEE3DMP) performance

2013-03-05 Thread Steve Comstock
On 3/5/2013 3:32 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi We are using the CEE3DMP (LE dump) routine to dump the call stack in some C/C++ program to the SYSPRINT file It is terrible slow, no CPU just wait (for what ?) Without this CEE3DMP calls, the program runs in 6 seconds , with dump in 30 minutes,

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:45:29 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: And, did zEC12 indroduce no new addressing modes nor instruction formats that might affect syntax described in HLASM doc? AFAIK, Addressing modes, instruction formats and syntax for machine instructions are documented in the Principles of

Re: Paging Behaviour; was: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

2013-03-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I do, from the first time a rookie did a pageadd. I don't know if you could start with multiple locals on a single volume, but you couldn't add one later on a volume that was already active. It cost us an IPL because our 'spares' were all unusable, and we croaked on unavailable aux. The rookie

Top 5 obscure z/OS tools you're not using

2013-03-05 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Check out the blog entry at www.share.org/mvsblog and let me know what z/os tools you use most. Thanks! Mary Anne -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread John Gilmore
Tom Marchant wrote: begin extract AFAIK, Addressing modes, instruction formats and syntax for machine instructions are documented in the Principles of Operation, not HLASM doc. /end extract and this is the impoortant point that needs to be made here. In, general, of course, there are

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Charles Mills
And none of the below is an answer to my question: where are HLASM docs that cover the ***HLASM*** (not PoP) changes since 2008? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:34

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:20:47 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: And none of the below is an answer to my question: where are HLASM docs that cover the ***HLASM*** (not PoP) changes since 2008? Do you mean like this from the HLASM R6 General Information manual?

Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 3 Mar 2013 to 4 Mar 2013 (#2013-63)

2013-03-05 Thread John Ehrman
Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org asked: Where current HLASM doc? My z/OS R13 collection contains HLASM documentation from 2008. Is there current HLASM documentation? Or has HLASM just not been updated? (I notice my z/OS R13 listings say R6.0.) I find that hard to believe. There could not possibly

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:44:18 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:20:47 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: And none of the below is an answer to my question: where are HLASM docs that cover the ***HLASM*** (not PoP) changes since 2008? Do you mean like this from the HLASM R6 General

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:57:21 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Are there OPTABLE values that distinguish between z196 and zEC12? (Is there even a difference?) If so, are these documented? The best I can find in the v1R6 Programmer's Guide is ZOP, ZS3, ZS4; 2008 information. As someone said, that

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
PMFJI here, but documenting important changes only in an APAR leaves out all of the application programmers like myself who have no access to the APAR documentation site, which is restricted to systems programmers with valid IBM logons. Sometimes I wish they had not done away with TNL's (yeah,

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Charles Mills
All from 2008. Ah, 2008! Remember those fabulous z10's? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin Minerley Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where current HLASM doc?

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Charles Mills
So I guess what is being said here is that no, the HLASM folks have not issue a new manual since 2008. If one wants complete documentation one must look at a combination of manuals from 2008 plus some number of APARs? I find that bizarre. But thank you, yes, I guess that answers my question.

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 3/5/2013 11:18 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: PMFJI here, but documenting important changes only in an APAR leaves out all of the application programmers like myself who have no access to the APAR documentation site, which is restricted to systems programmers with valid IBM logons. I

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Charles Mills
Indeed. A public Google search for HLASM ZS5 produces http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1PK97799 as my (YMMV) first hit, where we find Add support for IBM zEnterprise 196, or z196 (machine type 2817) into UNI and ZS5 opcode tables. The following instructions have been added:

Re: RLS SMSVSAM and PLEX wide IPL

2013-03-05 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Yes - This was a surprise when it bit. Bit more happened in the background than Lizette explained. This was not just a Sysplex wide IPL, but move to new hardware involving new Couple and CFRM datasets with no ability to move gracefully. However when the review for all the Sysplex JCL members

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Rutledge
Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: PMFJI here, but documenting important changes only in an APAR leaves out all of the application programmers like myself who have no access to the APAR documentation site, which is restricted to systems programmers with valid IBM logons.

Re: DS6800 3390 quesation

2013-03-05 Thread Scott Ford
Dude, Someone is blowing smoke ...and lot of it ..I agree with the other gentleman get someone that knows what they are doing . Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:48

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:16:50 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: It does not much interest IBM's management, I suspect because it is not the focus of 'interesting' activity. Moreover, it is not a profit center. It generates no identifiable revenue stream; it is instead 'given away' as a part of the

Re: Where current HLASM doc?

2013-03-05 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: TNLs? Did someone say it's harder to update electronic documentation than hardcopy? Fairly long ago, I understood that in parts of the aviation service industry mechanics were allowed to print hardcopies of

Current HLASM doc

2013-03-05 Thread John Dravnieks
If you want the current APAR information from the assembler, add the INFO parameter And if you want to see the current list of opcodes for say UNI, use OPTABLE (UNI,LIST) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access