Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Lizette, I cannot use a mask in the SET command. Later I realized that the substr function to find text is there of course, but the replace is what I am missing, like in code to convert old management classes to new ones, while providing transparacy to JCL roaming around in the company. Exampl

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread Roger W. Suhr
I could agree with that too. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 9:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMF record - IPADDR In <003801ce8119$55b87300$01295900$

Re: Benchmark of Relative instructions vers Base+displacement ones

2013-07-15 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Whatever their timing formulas or model-dependant behavior, in the old days of non-pipelined or minimally-pipelined CPU engines you ran your batch application program once with the appropriate test data using the "production" load module on an unloaded or lightly loaded machine, then you ran it

Re: Benchmark of Relative instructions vers Base+displacement ones

2013-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2319af4...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com>, on 07/15/2013 at 11:01 AM, "Farley, Peter x23353" said: >I remember when I first was disabused of the quaint notion that the >CPU performance of a batch z/OS application could be measured in a >deterministic manner,

Re: Buffering: stdout vs. stderr?

2013-07-15 Thread Kirk Wolf
Gil, I agree; that sounds like a defect (or enhancement? :-) On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:23:40 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: > > > >Maybe that is one of the "enhancements" ? :-) > > > Exoskeletal "enhancement"? Is there any rationale for making t

IBM Resource Link: Large Systems Performance Reference for IBM System z

2013-07-15 Thread efinnell15
IBM Resource Link: Large Systems Performance Reference for IBM System z This is a starting point. The tuning pros help to keep them honest with analysis of what is and what is not in the benchmarks. I remember Cheryl pointed out that the 9672 benchmarks left out Cobol pgms with 'Indexed by' du

Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Don Williams
My sample size must be too small to be significant, but it seems that over the past decade or two, that vast majority of ACS administrators I've spoken to would love to have some sort of facility which would allow sharing common source code between the ACS routines. > -Original Message---

Re: Missing HSM backups

2013-07-15 Thread David G. Schlecht
We have two lpars plexed, sharing DASD and catalogs and run HSM on each. Lpar-1 is supposed to handle the backups. Lpar-1: AUTOBACKUPSTART(1700 1800 1900) Lpar-2: AUTOBACKUPSTART( ) Backups start at 17:00 and typically end around 17:11, hence, it seems sufficient time is provided.

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread Charles Mills
I would like to see world peace and an end to hunger. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 6:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMF record - IPADDR IMO, the proble

Re: Missing HSM backups

2013-07-15 Thread David G. Schlecht
Interesting thought. Let me check it out. David G. Schlecht | Information Technology Professional State of Nevada | Department of Administration | Enterprise IT Services T:(775)684-4328 | F: (775) 684‐4324 | E:dschle...@admin.nv.gov -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Missing HSM backups

2013-07-15 Thread Ulrich Krueger
David, Is it possible that your time window for DFHSM backups is not long enough for the incremental backups to complete? Regards, Ulrich Krueger -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David G. Schlecht Sent: Monday, July 1

Re: Missing HSM backups

2013-07-15 Thread David G. Schlecht
A new wrinkle and possibly related. I have a job that creates two GDGs in the same Management Class. Both should be backed up. However, one gets backed up while the other doesn't. The backup for the first shows up in HSM's job logs at the point of backup but the second is entirely absent from HS

Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Tidy, David (D)
Hi, What we do to get around this is to use ISPF skeletons (with a bit of REXX involved) which we run as part of a two stop batch process using Naviquest. Within the REXX, we build a table of our DB2 systems, and then the skeleton has )DOT constructions to loop around building those 15 WHEN cla

Re: Buffering: stdout vs. stderr?

2013-07-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:23:40 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: > >Maybe that is one of the "enhancements" ? :-) > Exoskeletal "enhancement"? Is there any rationale for making the ASCII behavior different from the EBCDIC? >Actually this seems to be an issue with the stream buffering strategy. >See the C/C+

Re: Benchmark of Relative instructions vers Base+displacement ones

2013-07-15 Thread John Gilmore
Peter Farley's lament is understandable, but it is important to [better] understand that all scientific and engineering questions are statistical in character and that they become so increasingly as a subject advances. Deterministic, Newtonian methods served physics well in the 17th century; but t

Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
Kees, Could you expand on the 15 WHEN clauses? Provide a snippet? How does the * vs. % not help? Are you really parsing it down that granularly? Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent

Re: Benchmark of Relative instructions vers Base+displacement ones

2013-07-15 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
I remember when I first was disabused of the quaint notion that the CPU performance of a batch z/OS application could be measured in a deterministic manner, here on this very list some years ago. The implications of processor pipelining and branch prediction and AGI and cache lines had just not

Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:05:06 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: >Bingo! This is what I had stored many years ago somewhere in migrated memory: >the COPYFILT macro. Ag! Yet another good pun about to be migrated in my flaky memory... ;-) You're welcome. Thanks! >I will have a look at

Re: Buffering: stdout vs. stderr?

2013-07-15 Thread Kirk Wolf
Gil, Maybe that is one of the "enhancements" ? :-) Actually this seems to be an issue with the stream buffering strategy. See the C/C++ RTL Ref for "setvbuf()". Maybe you need to explicitly call setvbuf() for stdout/stderr with __LIBASCII ?? Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.co

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread Kirk Wolf
Martin, I'm sorry that I wasn't clear. I'm not arguing for different data formats for SMF. I'm saying that we need something other than Assembler DSECTs as a metadata description. Say for example that there were a standard metadata document (maybe in XML or JSON) that *described* all of the SMF

Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Bingo! This is what I had stored many years ago somewhere in migrated memory: the COPYFILT macro. It is not completely automatic, but it takes only one command to fire the automation of updating multiple tables in multiple routines. I will have a look at it again to see if it helps me this time.

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <003801ce8119$55b87300$01295900$@com>, on 07/15/2013 at 12:08 AM, "Roger W. Suhr" said: >I'd vote for both. All IBM product SMF records type 0-200 should be >documented in the SMF manual. Alternatively, the SMF and control blocks manuals should have links[1] to the appropriate product man

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread John McKown
Nice idea. Would need some new low level node. Perhaps SXMLSMF? Or SJSONSMF. I'm not an expert in either, but the relocatable, possibly repeating, sections might be a bit difficult to document. Perhaps a DTD is needed as well. SDTDSMF and ADTDSMF in what appears to be IBM's current SMP/E naming co

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Packer
While I agree it would be nice to have more consumable data formats I don't agree documentation isn't a major problem: As someone who spends a lot of time with the raw data all sorts of questions come up that the documentation doesn't address, mainly of provenance and interpretation. A concord

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread Kirk Wolf
IMO, the problem with SMF records is not the documentation. I would like to see IBM publish some sort of machine-readable schema document (say, in XML or JSON) for each record that describes the structure and datatypes in each record. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon

Re: The amazing disappearing mainframe.

2013-07-15 Thread John McKown
Management today, especially in large companies, seem to have no "investment" in the company itself, on a long term basis. They know that they need to get their "pay off" quickly (before they are replaced) and that "reducing cost" will get them money in their pockets faster. So there is little ince

Re: SMF record - IPADDR

2013-07-15 Thread John McKown
I think this would be resisted by IBM. There are too many basically separate products which produce SMF records. Some even the same SMF record number, such as 110 for CICS and DB2. But what we _might_ be able to convince IBM to do is to create a Web bookshelf, similar to the "z/OS Messages and Code

Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, CP wrote: >So I probably mixed some historical info in my memory. It would be nice to >have, e.g. for dsname- of volser-filtlists used in more than one routine. >However, there are not many enhancements in ACS routines the last decades, so >I expect this will remain a wish. You've g

Re: The amazing disappearing mainframe.

2013-07-15 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:30:46 -0400, John respake: >I see no evidence that the mainframe is going the way of the dodo. >What is happening, outside China and several other new markets, is >that 1) the number of small- and middling-sizeed mainframe shops is >dropping steadily and 2) that many of the

Ted talk: George Dyson at the birth of the computer

2013-07-15 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I found this very fun to listen to, and thought to share it. I particularly liked the work notes from the people building and programming the computers in the 50's. Kind regards, Lindy http://www.ted.com/talks/george_dyson_at_the_birth_of_the_computer.html --

Re: Dynamic LPA Services

2013-07-15 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:19:09 -0400 Richard Verville wrote: :>John Gilmore->There is no need for further assertions that things :>that manifestly do work may not or for something less than clarity :>about, for example, the fact that AMODE(64) code is faster than :>AMODE(31) code.< :>Are you sayin

Re: ACS routine imbed/include function?

2013-07-15 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
So I probably mixed some historical info in my memory. It would be nice to have, e.g. for dsname- of volser-filtlists used in more than one routine. However, there are not many enhancements in ACS routines the last decades, so I expect this will remain a wish. Kees. -Original Message-