Antwort: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Michael Klaeschen
Which reason you do not use a job monitor like OPC/TWS (IBM) or UC4 (they are from Austria, too)? You might want to consider spool management software like Beta92. That also can check the return codes. Cheers Michael Von:Miklos Szigetvari An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Datum: 2013-09-

Re: Antwort: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
For financial reason(no money) , although UC4 is in the next village. On 05.09.2013 09:17, Michael Klaeschen wrote: Which reason you do not use a job monitor like OPC/TWS (IBM) or UC4 (they are from Austria, too)? You might want to consider spool management software like Beta92. That also can ch

Re: TS7700 - Allocation Control to a Single Cluster within a Grid

2013-09-05 Thread Brian Fraser
The management class definition within the management interface allows you to select scratch mount candidates as well as selecting which clusters will hold the logical volume once it has been closed. The 2 options don't necessarily have to point to the same clusters. Brian On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 a

Re: RACF Database protection

2013-09-05 Thread Costin Enache
The error can be easily demonstrated, see one of my earlier posts. But I'm only a security consultant and I don't work for one of those companies paying millions yearly to IBM, so I guess it has high chances to be ignored. Wishful thinking: that IBM, if they decide to change the algorithm, will

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
What is the problem: Hundreds of jobs in the input Q? That does not cost much, add some jobnumbers and trackgroups. The output of the jobs? If they produce large reports, force them to write those to disk datasets and use SMF exits to add /*JOBPARM LINES= to the job and automatically cancel tho

Re: Needed Killing series

2013-09-05 Thread efinnell15
Great. They're cheaper than a mocha latte. I'm about half way thru #3. Probably won't win a Pulitzer, but readable. In the prologue Bill mentions the 27 April tornado that tore thru here and he wasn't kidding. Moved their house about 3 feet off the foundation and dropped a big ol' oak tree on th

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-09-05 08:57, Miklos Szigetvari pisze: Hi I have the problem, some of our users, submits, time to time several hundred tests jobs, for different application tests. It fills the spool, difficult to handle etc etc . I would need some simple tool to manage this: - submit again and aga

Re: RACF Database protection

2013-09-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Costin Enache wrote: >Wishful thinking: that IBM, if they decide to change the algorithm, will learn >the advantages of open, secure and open to debate cryptography over secret, >obfuscated and most often broken schemes. You can wish, but big blue wants backward compatibility, so it is unlikely

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Miklos Szigetvari wrote: >I have the problem, some of our users, submits, time to time several hundred >tests jobs, for different application tests. >It fills the spool, difficult to handle etc etc . >I would need some simple tool to manage this: >- submit again and again , only a a limited num

Re: Antwort: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Staller, Allan
Thruput Manager plus any of the "standard" sysout archival tools (CA-VIEW, LRS PAGECENTER,.) ? > I have the problem, some of our users, submits, time to time several > hundred tests jobs, for different application tests. > It fills the spool, difficult to handle etc etc . > I would need so

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Cancelling a job due to lines exceeded is, generally, bad practice. Who are you to determine the needs of the user (whom you are [supposedly] supporting). I know there is the potential of a looping job; that doesn't sound like the case, here. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNE

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
If you must manage with limited resources and you explain the user where to leave the large reports and you have management commitment for these new rules, I consider myself entitled to enforce the rules. In the end both the I and the user benefit from it. Kees. -Original Message- From

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Or the other way round: the users can get all the spoolspace they want, when they pay it. Only the sun rises for free, as we say here. Kees. -Original Message- From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 14:56 To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: RE: Searching fo

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:58:11 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: >Or the other way round: the users can get all the spoolspace they want, when >they pay it. Only the sun rises for free, as we say here. > Wouldn't it be nice to be able not to ABEND, but to checkpoint the job when it reaches the lim

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Steve Comstock
On 9/5/2013 7:30 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:58:11 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Or the other way round: the users can get all the spoolspace they want, when they pay it. Only the sun rises for free, as we say here. Wouldn't it be nice to be able not to ABEND, but to

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-09-05 14:45, Ted MacNEIL pisze: Cancelling a job due to lines exceeded is, generally, bad practice. No, it is very good practice. Of course devil is in the details, I'm don't mean restrictive, small values, rather "fuse" protecting whole JES against SPOOL space exhaustion. I did met

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Jon Perryman
If you have an automation product, then you can use it to take the action needed. You could trigger off of the job submitted rate or the JES number of lines exceeded message. You could place jobs on hold. Jon Perryman. > > From: Miklos Szigetvari > > >I have t

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
If a job is running and you place it on hold it will remain in a limbo state (spool is still used) until it is later RELEASE to allow output processing to complete. Jobs in such a state are not easy to see. I would suggest that periodically you go into SDSF using the ST command (turn off all filt

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 09/05/2013 03:01 AM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 2013-09-05 08:57, Miklos Szigetvari pisze: >> Hi >> >> I have the problem, some of our users, submits, time to time several >> hundred tests jobs, for different application tests. >> It fills the spool, difficult to handle etc etc . >> I would need some

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Thank you for answers, I agree with the suggestions , increase the SPOOL size, and/or use some external writer, or short term SYSOUT classes. Unfortunately currently I'm not in the position to make this changes,or persuade the user to change his jobs, but in the SUBMIT job I can change the ca

Hillgang Meeting September 18

2013-09-05 Thread Neale Ferguson
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Re: TS7700 - Allocation Control to a Single Cluster within a Grid

2013-09-05 Thread frank.bonad...@gs.com
Thanks very much for the input. I actually came across the management class particulars later on in the day. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV

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2013-09-05 Thread Gabe Goldberg
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timezone_name?

2013-09-05 Thread Charles Mills
I'm looking at my C++ code. I wrote it, but I wrote it before I understood as much (?) as I do now, and before GSK surprised me and made me run POSIX(ON). Background: the code runs on many different systems and customers set their machines up the way they set them up. The code uses localtime() and

Re: timezone_name?

2013-09-05 Thread John Gilmore
If you are thinking in international rather than local American terms some timezone names are problematic/ambiguous. An example. Australia has three time zones: o AEST, Australian Eastern Standard Time, which becomes AEDT, Australian Eastern Daylight Time for part of the year, with conventions r

"NSA foils much internet encryption"

2013-09-05 Thread John Gilmore
More Snowden documents have been reviewed by the New York Times, which this afternoon concluded that The agency has circumvented or cracked much of the encryption, or digital scrambling, that guards global commerce and banking systems, protects sensitive data like trade secrets and medical record

Re: "NSA foils much internet encryption"

2013-09-05 Thread Kenneth Wilkerson
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: "NSA foils much internet encryption" More Snowden documents have been reviewed by the New York

Re: timezone_name?

2013-09-05 Thread Charles Mills
> You could resolve such ambiguities---There are many of them---if you had an ISO country code at hand too. Do you? Does the software at run time? I have not rooted around. Possibly -- probably at some sites yes, and at some sites no, they didn't set it (not unlike TZ and _TZ!). The one thing I a

Re: "NSA foils much internet encryption"

2013-09-05 Thread Tony Babonas
But I have heard that they quit monitoring IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, ASSEMBLER-L, et al. Too much stress. On 9/5/2013 2:42 PM, John Gilmore wrote: More Snowden documents have been reviewed by the New York Times, which this afternoon concluded that The agency has circumvented or cracked muc

Where environment variables set for batch POSIX programs?

2013-09-05 Thread Charles Mills
This question is related to my question on timezone_name. I am responsible for a C++ program that runs POSIX(ON) as a started task in "conventional" MVS. I observe that at some customers the environment variable TZ (time zone) is set correctly, and that at others it is not set at all. I search t

Re: Where environment variables set for batch POSIX programs?

2013-09-05 Thread John McKown
LE parameters in PARMLIB. TZ is a Language Environment variable as well as UNIX. UNIX will inherit it from LE if not set elsewhere. At home on tablet. Will reply more from work tomorrow, if nobody else does. On Sep 5, 2013 8:10 PM, "Charles Mills" wrote: > This question is related to my question

Re: timezone_name?

2013-09-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:13:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > >2. Does setting timezone_name to EST or PDT make sense? Is EST or PDT an >appropriate sort of setting? > To be POSIXly correct, you should follow: Title: z/OS V1R13.0 XL C/C++ Programming Guide Document Number: SC09-4765-12 8.4.1 Using t

Re: Where environment variables set for batch POSIX programs?

2013-09-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:43:50 -0500, John McKown wrote: >LE parameters in PARMLIB. TZ is a Language Environment variable as well as >UNIX. UNIX will inherit it from LE if not set elsewhere. > But it won't govern the behavior of the TIME macro, will it? So much for DRY. -- gil

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Brian Westerman
Sorry for the marketing spiel, but we market system automation products that do everything that has been discussed in this thread so far. We also have a spool management product that would allow you to automatically offload the output based on any of a great number of factors, from the number o