Re: ACS routine trace.

2013-09-14 Thread Graham Harris
Although is a little hassle to setup if you dont have it already, there is the SMS storage class exit, which can be found in SYS1.SACBCNTL(IGDACSSC). I used this a lot in the early days of SMS, specifying ACCT=DEBUG on the EXEC card of the job/STC/TSO-id of the task in question, to prompt the exit

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-14 Thread AbsKerneels
Hi Jake, Do you know anything about Cloud computing ? Maybe you should start there..and all you need is a computer with internet access and then you search for "CLOUD COMPUTING" on GOOGLE : www.google.com and then you get this .. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing Kerneels On

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread David Crayford
Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that have been used by the likes of media manager for years? On 14/09/2013 9:32 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:03:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: ... PROBLEM SUMMARY: *

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread John Gilmore
This date format, yy/mm/dd---/mm/dd would of course be better---is in no way ambiguous. It is an ISO/ANSI standard 'descending' date, the crucial merits of which are that it is 1) unambiguous and 2) immediately orderable/sortable. Its exclusive use is also a very imperfectly honored FIPS requ

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 9/14/2013 4:13 AM, David Crayford wrote: Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that have been used by the likes of media manager for years? All new. The new IOSFBA service is not for managing fixed-block data sets on an ECKD device. Rather, IOSFBA is used to mana

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread David Crayford
On 14/09/2013 8:59 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 9/14/2013 4:13 AM, David Crayford wrote: Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that have been used by the likes of media manager for years? All new. The new IOSFBA service is not for managing fixed-block data sets on an ECK

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
I would say that there is no expectation for the Data Center or Mainframe to slide into the sunset. The processes on the Mainframe are more robust than the open systems. Yes, open systems will catch up, but they are now where we were 15 years ago. And there are many processes that just perform b

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-14 Thread David Crayford
Are there any real world SaaS offerings on z/OS? The only tangible cloud solution I've seen is the CICS PaaS applications/bundles and they don't appear to have much appeal. As far as cloud (private) is concerned it seems z/VM and z/Linux are the only in town. OpenStack has been ported to z and t

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 09/14/2013 07:20 AM, John Gilmore wrote: > This date format, yy/mm/dd---/mm/dd would of course be better---is > in no way ambiguous. It is an ISO/ANSI standard 'descending' date, > the crucial merits of which are that it is 1) unambiguous and 2) > immediately orderable/sortable. Its exclus

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-14 Thread AbsKerneels
Lizette, You are assuming the following : a) You are talking and responding to an educated question/crowd b) That the mainframe can compete price wise with what DROPBOX's/Google Drive/YOUTUBE etc. etc. can do.. and I have not seen that any where yet.. or THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE based on the current

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:52:14 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: APAR Identifier .. OA41040 Last Changed 13/09/12 >> >> d/m/y (European Date Format) - ie: September 13, 2012. > >LOL. I guess you're trying to prove Gil's point. :) > It's a shame there are so many dots in there. O

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:59:59 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: >On 9/14/2013 4:13 AM, David Crayford wrote: >> Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that >> have been used by the likes of media manager for years? > >All new. > >The new IOSFBA service is not for managing fixed-block

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-14 Thread Charles Mills
> Are there any real world SaaS offerings on z/OS? http://cloudcompiling.com/ I am, ahem, the author of the client software. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 9

Re: Looking for COBOL V5R1 Softcopy Librarian docs

2013-09-14 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks, John. Don't know if I want it that badly. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John P. Baker Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for COBOL V5R1 Softcopy

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-14 Thread AbsKerneels
Hi, You are trying to sell a web site to us but on the website they mention NO NAMES of any executives, any owners, any address ex. Made in China etc. The only thing listed is : Press Contact: Budd Rutter 651-216- and Cloud Compiling 650 Main Street N. Suite 400 Stillwater MN 55082

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-09-14 Thread Charles Mills
No, I have no business case. I was speaking philosophically. It is the same advice I would give an associate who was thinking of developing an operating system. It's not an excuse for anything. I make extensive use of PDSE where I find them appropriate. And it's just my opinion. You can debate

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-14 Thread Charles Mills
Abs, methinks you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I was answering the question, asked here, "are there any real-world SaaS offerings on z/OS." FWIW, no, Cloud Compiling Inc. has no connection to China and has large z/OS customers. My associate

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread John Gilmore
Mr. Ewing is correct. A full ISO 8601 date-and-time stamp takes the form -MM-DDThh:mm:ssTZD An example would be 2013-09-14T11:46:13:05:00 in which '-', 'T', and ':' are prescribed. My earlier post omitted these details in the interests of brevity. Googling "ISO 8601" will yield more of t

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-09-14 Thread John Gilmore
Charles Mills wrote: VSAM replaced ISAM -- how come PDSE has never gotten "good enough" to replace PDS? and this example is a little unfortunate. I wish it were not the case, but ISAM and BDAM remain in significant, not at all marginal use in a number of very large z/OS shops. For now at least

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-09-14 Thread Charles Mills
Replaced at least officially, right? ISAM is unsupported? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, an

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-09-14 Thread Mike Schwab
z/OS 1.6 put the ISAM modules in a separate library. This library was not included in z/OS 1.7. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ratdevz/v7r1m1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.ent.cbl.zos.doc/topics/igym1ch7.htm On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > Replaced at least officia

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-14 Thread Steve Comstock
On 9/7/2013 10:22 AM, Tom Ross wrote: If I am reading this correctly, the BINDER would need to use a PDSE output file if there is JAVA, C/C++ type of programs. If you have native cobol, then you might be able to continue the LKED with BINDER to a non PDSE. No, the COBOL Migration Guide is corr

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-09-14 Thread John Gilmore
ISAM is unsupported but not, purtroppo, unused. BDAM is in some sense 'unsupported' too, but it is even more heavily used. Is your point a debater's or a substantive one? Eohippus, the 'dawn horse', is unsupported too, indeed extinct; but his fossil remains abound. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01

Re: Sysplex newbie

2013-09-14 Thread Brian Westerman
Hi, I have set up these sorts of environments for several universities and in all cases (except one) there was never any need to use a sysplex to support everything they wanted and needed to do. There are some nice things that you can do via recovery etc., but in an environment where you are o