Re: SMP/E question

At 16:48 -0800 on 11/26/2013, retired mainframer wrote about Re: SMP/E question: In any event, the ++LMOD control statement supports up to two DD names in the SYSLIB operand. Between that and ++JCLIN control cards, you should have no trouble generating the two versions you want. If the SYSLI

Re: SMP/E question

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:48:30 -0800, retired mainframer wrote: >I have not tried the exact combination of SRC and MAC with the same name but >as far back as 1995 (MVS/ESA 4.3) I have used various DATAx with the same >name as a MAC, SRC, PROC, SAMP, etc with no apparent conflict. > >In any event, th

Re: SMP/E question

At 13:07 -0600 on 11/26/2013, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: SMP/E question: But Phil wants two load modules (LMOD entries) with the same name. I think that two LMOD entries with different names but identical ALIASes might work -- SMP/E treats ALIAS as raw text; simply passed to Binder. Of cour

Re: SMP/E question

I have not tried the exact combination of SRC and MAC with the same name but as far back as 1995 (MVS/ESA 4.3) I have used various DATAx with the same name as a MAC, SRC, PROC, SAMP, etc with no apparent conflict. In any event, the ++LMOD control statement supports up to two DD names in the SYSLIB

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

I totally agree Gerhard, my Opsys have similarities in components and structure. One just has to be aware enough , open minded enough and experienced enough to see it. As a ex-VMer I see a lot of similarities between VM and * nix Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom th

z/OS the refinished antique

On the Antique Road show(PBS) one Queen Anne sideboard was appraised at several thousand dollars. The appraiser went on to say "if it hadn't been refinished it would be worth over a hundred thousand". The hardware advances coupled with the hundreds of new instructions allow z/OS to progress

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 11/26/2013 4:42 PM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: how do you distinguish /u/myid/somefile.txt from /u/yourid/somefile.txt? Would the catalog have both entries? If so, then if you reference "the file" via this catalog, which file do you actually access? In z/OS and precursors, you need to know the full

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

>I think you forgot the in that post, Gil. z/OS is not for "the little user". Neither is UNIX (nor Linux). For a true "little user", the OS of choice might be CP/M-80 on an Altair. Or maybe an Apple ][. . It is Windows and now Android or iOS. all three have the same issues that I've discussed an

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

> how do you distinguish /u/myid/somefile.txt from /u/yourid/somefile.txt? Would the catalog have both entries? If so, then if you reference "the file" via this catalog, which file do you actually access? I did give some preliminary thought to this. To accommodate the current concepts of Unix (

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

>I interpreted "little user" as "average Windows desktop user". I don't think Ze'ev was trying to be pejorative, just trying to indicate a person who isn't a techno-geek like most of us on the list. That's what I meant Thanks ZA ---

Re: A possible solution to the mystery of 123 extents per volume (UNCLASSIFIED)

On 26-Nov-13 15:30, Storr, Lon A CTR USARMY HRC , US wrote: Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE List, I've done some research and may have discovered the reason behind the current limit of 123 extents per volume. We all know that the original MVS DEB (a very messy control block becaus

web: Half an operating system: The triumph and tragedy of OS/2 | Ars Technica

Interesting (long) recap... http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/half-an-operating-system-the-triumph-and-tragedy-of-os2/ -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. g...@gabegold.com 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 204-0433 LinkedIn: http://www.l

Re: SMP/E question

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:56:29 +0200, Itschak Mugzach wrote: >Why new? A mod entry can be called same as LMOD entry, and these days there >are entry types almost for anything. > In my dim memory (or perhaps delusion), perhaps SMP without the "/E", even entries of the same type couldn't have the sam

Re: Has anyone measured CPU savings using external SORT's vs internal (COBOL) SORT's?

Syncsort whilst performing optimally, does not work well with transparency products. Many moons ago I discovered this fact and was forced to go the E15 way. A couple of examples that Syncsort did not work with: CA-Datacom VSAM transparency and IBM - VSAM transparency. CA-Sort worked as did DFSORT

Re: SMP/E question

Why new? A mod entry can be called same as LMOD entry, and these days there are entry types almost for anything. ITschak On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:44:12 +0200, Itschak Mugzach wrote: > > >Use different types and you can have tens of "same na

Re: SMP/E question

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:44:12 +0200, Itschak Mugzach wrote: >Use different types and you can have tens of "same names" elements. > I believe that's somewhat new; perhaps newer than Phil's experience, so don't fault him. >On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Phil Smith wrote: > >> I have a load module

Re: SMP/E question

Use different types and you can have tens of "same names" elements. ITschak On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Phil Smith wrote: > I have a load module that contains a WXTRN reference. If the WXTRN > resolves, it gets called to do specialized processing in some specialized > environments; the go

SMP/E question

I have a load module that contains a WXTRN reference. If the WXTRN resolves, it gets called to do specialized processing in some specialized environments; the goal was to maximize code reuse. So here's the question. It will reveal (once again) how weak my SMP/E knowledge is, so prepare to be en

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

We'll, the JES2 has a address field consisting of 60 characters. // DSNAME=data.set.name, 80-10-10=60, VTOC use a new DSCB value, like F7-9 for the Extended non-VSAM. Catalogs require new key size so only new catalogs with the longer key size. Control blocks: additional field with remaind

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:38:58 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >What do you mean by "standard catalog"? How does the master catalog >differ in principle from the file system mounted as root? > One uses dots but the other uses slashes. -- gil ---

Re: ISPF 3.4 with HLQ *

John McKown wrote: >That got me curious. I found this: http://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?b=225 > >What the saying actually means though is that, like a red squirrel jumping >back and forth and all over the place, unconnected strange things happen with >no rhyme nor reason, or in other words: >Ra

Re: ISPF 3.4 with HLQ *

In <5294a658.3030...@icloud.com>, on 11/26/2013 at 07:47 AM, Tony Babonas said: >So that's TDIAS, correct ? In Germany, but at the UA data center it's TOIAS. That's Brunswick stew à la transformer. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In <3241976883286959.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu>, on 11/25/2013 at 07:36 PM, "Ze'ev Atlas" said: >The same thing about stupid limitation is the lack of standard >catalog in Unix. What do you mean by "standard catalog"? How does the master catalog differ in principle from the file sy

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

I think you forgot the in that post, Gil. z/OS is not for "the little user". Neither is UNIX (nor Linux). For a true "little user", the OS of choice might be CP/M-80 on an Altair. Or maybe an Apple ][. . On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:47:39 -0600

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:47:39 -0600, John McKown wrote: > >I am confused by this. What would you put in such a catalog? The absolute >path name plus file name, such as /u/myid/some/subdir/somefile.txt ? If so, >why? If you know the name, the system knows where it is. Or do you must >mean the file na

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:56:47 -0500, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > >2) the 44 character limitation for the data set name is a justifiable >limitation based on the original S/360 hardware and software >limitations. I would hardly call it "stupid". However, I would welcome >your detailed strategy for e

A possible solution to the mystery of 123 extents per volume (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE List, I've done some research and may have discovered the reason behind the current limit of 123 extents per volume. We all know that the original MVS DEB (a very messy control block because it's so old and so much has evolved) was not designed for V

Re: ISPF 3.4 with HLQ *

That got me curious. I found this: http://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?b=225 What the saying actually means though is that, like a red squirrel jumping back and forth and all over the place, unconnected strange things happen with no rhyme nor reason, or in other words: Randomicity happens. And often

Missing Fix Report Question

We are getting a new DS8870 2424-961 device in the near future. I pulled down 1yr of hold data and ran a missing fixcat report for device IBM.Device.Disk.DS8000-2107. This produced a report requiring 21 pft's be applied. I pulled down and applied the 21 ptf's. I reran the missing fixcat report e

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: > The same thing about stupid limitation is the lack of standard catalog in > Unix. That limitation needs to go away. > I am confused by this. What would you put in such a catalog? The absolute path name plus file name, such as /u/myid/some/s

Re: ISPF 3.4 with HLQ *

So that's TDIAS, correct ? On 11/26/2013 12:17 AM, nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: Doesn't somthing in this thread tend to refutetZe'ev Atlas's recent assertion: Apparently z/OS is capable of finding the file without any manual assistance! ... Well, the devil is a squirrel (as we say in German). W

Re: Has anyone measured CPU savings using external SORT's vs internal (COBOL) SORT's?

Chris, Thanks for confirming my assumption that your product uses its optimized I/O facilities for SORTIN/OUT. I agree that there is no single "best way" to design a process. As usual, "it depends...". Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

I interpreted "little user" as "average Windows desktop user". I don't think Ze'ev was trying to be pejorative, just trying to indicate a person who isn't a techno-geek like most of us on the list. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > On 11/25/2013 8:36 PM, Ze'ev Atlas w

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 11/25/2013 8:36 PM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: From the little user point of view, he/she knows the name of the file. As a matter of policy in most facilities (probably all), all files that the little user do and/or care for are cataloged and are somewhere in the DFSMS managed storage. Thus, if he/s

Re: Has anyone measured CPU savings using external SORT's vs internal (COBOL) SORT's?

I was delighted to learn---authoritatively from Chris Blaicher---that SYNCSORT no longer makes routine use of BSAM or QSAM to read/write its sortin/sortout datasets. His point that there are no generic, one-size-fits-all solutions is also important. It conceded, my own experience nevertheless str

Re: Getting a VSAM data set's system timestamp

It's really up to the customer, if they want to sync a database with one on a workstation, they will make sure it's possible. I feel we can live with a few "false positives". Actually, VSAM is a bit of a rare case, the main use of the product is syncronise enormous source libraries which are being