Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?

2014-01-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
I think we may have beaten this subject nearly to death, Charles, but I think I'd use Tab instead of tab. Check several keyboards to see what they say on the key labels. On this particular keyboard I'm using at this moment the Tab key is labeled tab (lowercase). But that's because it's an Apple

Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?

2014-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. Good suggestion. Will do. FWIW my Lenovo says Tab -| Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe culture

Re: Subject Unicode

2014-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
There *are* general ways to convert Unicode into EBCDIC. IBM z/OS Unicode Services implements several of them. Yes, a Unicode file potentially (but not necessarily) includes characters not found in a particular EBCDIC code page. Traditionally, they are converted to EBCDIC SUB, X'3F'. Assuming you

Re: z/OS 1.13 PTF apply Issue

2014-01-14 Thread venkat kulkarni
Thanks to all for helping. Now problem has been resolved by IPLing system from another RES volume and applying PTF to old RES volume where SMPE was pointing to. My apply Job run successfully. Thanks once again. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net wrote: Robert

Re: XCF Signalling - MAXMSG CLASSDEF etc

2014-01-14 Thread David G. Yeager
I don't think I've posted to this list in some time. Usually I can't take the heat. But you were all so nice to they guy applying maintenance to his running system, so I figured to give it another shot before I drop off the grid. Asking the author of the latest IBM red paper about it,

Re: XCF Signalling - MAXMSG CLASSDEF etc

2014-01-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:29:12 -0600, David G. Yeager dxyea...@srpnet.com wrote: I don't think I've posted to this list in some time. Usually I can't take the heat. But you were all so nice to they guy applying maintenance to his running system, so I figured to give it another shot before I

Re: LLA/VLF -- NAMED LNKLST?

2014-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Oh!  I certainly didn't mean frequently throughout the day.  Just a few times a day. From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:53 AM Subject: Re: LLA/VLF -- NAMED LNKLST? It depends on

Re: LLA/VLF -- NAMED LNKLST?

2014-01-14 Thread Mark Zelden
Kees, why not? I've been at shops that have done it. You can update at the member level and a post link step with a program to do the LLA update is not a performance issue for the rest of the system. LLA REFRESH or UPDATE of the entire loadlib each time is a different story. Mark -- Mark

How *not* to SLEEP in REXX

2014-01-14 Thread Jim Mulder
There have been a few discussions over the years on IBM-MAIN as to how to SLEEP for some period of time in REXX. I was asked today to look at a dump of a hung testcase , and came across the following example of how *not* to do it: /* REXX */ /* WAIT 10 SECONDS FOR THE MESSAGE TO COMPLETE */

Re: How *not* to SLEEP in REXX

2014-01-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:12:31 -0500, Jim Mulder wrote: There have been a few discussions over the years on IBM-MAIN as to how to SLEEP for some period of time in REXX. I was asked today to look at a dump of a hung testcase , and came across the following example of how *not* to do it: /* REXX

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-14 Thread Kirk Talman
From: Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com At UK GSE in November, one of the opening presenters was Tomas Kadlec, from Tesco - a very large Wal-Mart-like retailer in Europe. He presented an interesting slide show I remember fondly having Tesco as a client decades ago. We were always

zFS Indirect volser support

2014-01-14 Thread Donald Likens
OK I already figured out that the following command allows a shop to use indirect volser support for zFS files. DEFINE CLUSTER (NAME(ZFS.ROOT) LINEAR VOLUMES(SYSR1) RECATALOG) I also figured out that (at least on z/OS R12) that you cannot use a 6 character symbolic and you cannot use **.

Re: How *not* to SLEEP in REXX

2014-01-14 Thread Graham Harris
or if you really do have CPU cycles going spare, at least use TIME('E') ! On 14 January 2014 21:42, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:12:31 -0500, Jim Mulder wrote: There have been a few discussions over the years on IBM-MAIN as to how to SLEEP for some

Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?

2014-01-14 Thread Ed Finnell
Three HP's...tab -|,tab -|,Tab -|, ISPF has a good section on Hardware vs software tabs. I go back to the program drum cards for the 029's . Nice when coding column dependent languages like COBOL and Fortran. Or data entry for column dependent input. In a message dated

Re: zFS Indirect volser support

2014-01-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
Is the roof RO or is it RW? Lizette -Original Message- From: Donald Likens dlik...@infosecinc.com Sent: Jan 14, 2014 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: zFS Indirect volser support OK I already figured out that the following command allows a shop to use indirect volser

Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?

2014-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
Oh-oh. Two votes for tab. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?

Re: How *not* to SLEEP in REXX

2014-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
address SYSCALL 'sleep 10' You need a CALL SYSCALLS(ON) first don't you? Hope I spelled it correctly. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: zFS Indirect volser support

2014-01-14 Thread Jon Perryman
I don't understand the quest How does this really help. I assume you just want to catalog the zFS datasets with symbolic volume. I'm guessing you did not define ZFS.ROOT because you say there isn't a VVDS. I thought that defining a VSAM dataset on a volume would cause the VVDS to be created.

Re: How *not* to SLEEP in REXX

2014-01-14 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
I finally caved and stopped using the CPU hungry wait techniques. The ADDRESS SYSCALL SLEEP works fine for whole seconds. We had a requirement to wait quite a bit less, so I developed a called assembler program that does a STIMER WAIT,DINTVL=DECTIME where DECTIME is CL8 '0500' for a 5 second

Re: zFS Indirect volser support

2014-01-14 Thread Jon Perryman
It just dawned on me what you were asking. The VVDS definition should occur automatically unless you are using some really old MVS version. When you do the DELETE NOSCRATCH, the data still resides on disk. I suspect that RECATALOG will use the VVDS data to help recatalog the dataset. Jon

Re: FW: Silent but missing before OMVS initialization

2014-01-14 Thread Gibney, Dave
I am now certain that this occurs. I can't say it is different from z/OS 1.11 as there is just too much other variation in the IPL sequence. I have: 19:08:39.02 STC00587 0290 S MSMMUF With a first step of: XXSLEEP EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='SH sleep SECONDSs' IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION

Re: zFS Indirect volser support

2014-01-14 Thread Pearce, Colin E
The VVDS keeps the name of each BCS, that has datasets cataloged on the volume, in its VSAM Volume Control Record - VVCR. So the DEFINE RECATALOG, will use the BCS information in the VVDS VVCR, plus the information in the associated VVR, in order to recatalog the dataset to the correct User

Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?

2014-01-14 Thread John Gilmore
Ed Finnell wrote: | Three HP's...tab -|,tab -|,Tab -| On the keyboards I use tabbing is either forward, to the right, or backward, to the left, depending upon the current status of the case modal; and the key is labelled Tab | — —| Both operations of course use the same tab settings. John

Re: Question on 3390D

2014-01-14 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hi Mauri, yes 3390D is in use. very simple.for any 3390B device in MSS-0 you can code matching CU (different name) and 3390D devices in another MSS .. i.e. you could code in MSS-1 or MSS-2 the 3390A ALIAS devices are not real DASD, so you only need one set. Regards Bruce Hewson

Re: zFS Indirect volser support

2014-01-14 Thread Jon Perryman
Wouldn't the DELETE NOSCRATCH mark the VVCR as not in a catalog and available for RECATALOG? Otherwise we couldn't RECATALOG to another UCAT or must it always be recataloged to the original catalog? Jon Perryman. - Original Message - From: Pearce, Colin E colin.pea...@baml.com T he

Re: zFS Indirect volser support

2014-01-14 Thread Pearce, Colin E
The Catalog entry is in the VVCR not the other way round. The DELETE NOSCRATCH merely causes the dataset to be uncataloged. The VVR for that dataset is still intact. The DEFINE RECATALOG must catalog the dataset back in the same BCS as it only has the VVR in the VVDS for information. From