getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Ron van der Zande
LS; Maybe you can use the following method. 16 Tables ISPF Table Utility Edit table BCNFMDS Export this table to a dataset. Extract FMIDS from SMP LIST FEATURE and use the dataset to translate FMIDs to a product description. Regards Ron vd Zande Note: Could not found the magic button to ad

Re: how can we do it?

2019-07-03 Thread Guy Riems
We had a similar requirement and wrote a Health Check that sends an alert (with some other additional checking). If you are interested I would be happy to share it offline. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access ins

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Barbara Nitz
>So, all you chronic backer uppers, how many times have you resorted to >restoring the whole shebang? Just wondering... This year in January. Right after I made a mistake when a target dataset went B37 and I had to copy ist. HLQ not in ACS as non-SMS, so I got confused and ended up copying the

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread CM Poncelet
FWIW I always ran an ADDRSDMP (or whatever it is called) of *all* SMP/E datasets to a GDG entry before I updated a CSI. That ensured I could recover a complete SMP/E config if my updates went 'belly up' on testing. This also allowed updating and test-verifying systems with e.g. the latest ACF2 vers

SMF for cataloged procedures and INCLUDEs. WAS Re: "Trapping" messages written to JESYSMSG?

2019-07-03 Thread Tim Hare
As mentioned before, I've created a SHARE requirement and an RFE to have the system record the information from the IFC001I (cataloged procedure was expanded from... msg) and IFC002I (INCLUDE was expanded from... msg) message in an SMF record.If this would be important or useful to your shop

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
Usermods won't be accepted unless you specifically request it. If your check didn't mention it, you're fine to go without the restore. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
Well, once I needed to restore the CSI and my target SYS1.NUCLEUS dataset. If I didn't have a full backup of everything, I wouldn't have had the nucleus dataset to restore. In short, you're never going to know what you need to restore, so it's a good idea to have everything backed up. Mark Jaco

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
I haven't used the backup in quite a while, however a colleague with less experience ended up having to do a full reinstall of a ServerPac starting from the Restore Datasets step because the policy wasn't followed. Jerry Whitteridge Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect GTS - Safeway Account 602

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Allan Staller
This was the 1st thing I was taught (back in 1972). Cover you’re A** That being said, I have never needed to use the backup. I have had to reconstruct some minor issues, but did not need to go to the backups. However recovery of the entire SMP/E environment would be a *MAJOR PITA*. It would prob

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Bill Giannelli
Thank you! That's easy enough to do. I also have an IBM user mod for debugging purposes from a PMR. Should I back that out before doing the accept w/o check? thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instru

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
So, all you chronic backer uppers, how many times have you resorted to restoring the whole shebang? Just wondering... . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.c

Re: WTO for message that will require explicit deletion?

2019-07-03 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 3 Jul 2019 09:12:55 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >I would expect cleanup of outstanding WTOs for any address space, be it a job >step, a started task, a tso session of a Unix shell. > I would expect WTORs to be cleaned up but I could see leav

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Allan Staller
It is a common practice to back up everything before the accept. In my case, the entire SMP/e ENV is on one volume, so I just use df/dss. Any method that works for the backup is acceptable. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Giannelli Sent: Wednesda

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
When I was doing SMP/e work at $previousjob, I did the same. Backup everything myself just to be sure. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
When we do maintenance our standard is prior to touching ANYTHING we backup using DFDSS SMPE Libraries (CSI + all SMPE related libraries) All Tgt Libraries in the CSI All Dist Libraries in the CSI According to our naming standards I'm able to do this by using 3 wild cards in the DFDSS job and cat

Re: Personal Communications Printer Session

2019-07-03 Thread Schuffenhauer, Mark
Because there are holes in the CUPS theory. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 11:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Personal Communications Printer Session What about CUPS? That question just

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:02:47 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >But first! >So, before running an accept w/o check, I should backup my CSI? Not exactly. A lot depends upon how you do things, but backing up just a CSI isn't much use. If you are going to restore, you will need the entire enviro

Re: Endianness and bit numbering Was RE: STORAGE OBTAIN doc inconsistency?

2019-07-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:14:12 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> I think the cultures that read from right to left number the pages that way >> also. > >The cultures that read from right to left still read Arabic numerals (not to >be confused with the numerals in the Arabic script) from left to right

Re: Endianness and bit numbering Was RE: STORAGE OBTAIN doc inconsistency?

2019-07-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
> I think the cultures that read from right to left number the pages that way > also. The cultures that read from right to left still read Arabic numerals (not to be confused with the numerals in the Arabic script) from left to right. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 _

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
Backups are good yes. SMP/e doesn't have a CSI backup function. IDCAMS will work for the CSI's but you might want to use a process to backup the entire CSI environment, target datasets, dlib datasets and CSI dataset (and others) using a product like DFDSS or FDR. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonM

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:56:11 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >ITYM FUNCTIONS. > >Tom Marchant I apologize. Shmuel had it right. LIST FEATURE against the Global zone. But it doesn't give the specific description for all of the functions found. -- Tom Marchant > >On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:49:31 +,

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Bill Giannelli
But first! So, before running an accept w/o check, I should backup my CSI? Should I do that "within" SMPE? Or can I just use idcams to backup my CSI cluster? thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive acces

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Marchant
ITYM FUNCTIONS. -- Tom Marchant On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:49:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >ITYM FEATURE. > > >-- >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of CM >Poncelet >Sent: Tuesday,

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
ITYM FEATURE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of CM Poncelet Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 9:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product de

Re: Personal Communications Printer Session

2019-07-03 Thread Chris Hoelscher
What about CUPS? That question just doesn't hold water .. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Bill Giannelli
Thank you! CC 04 had to add literally only 1 sysmod! thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Personal Communications Printer Session

2019-07-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
What about CUPS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Timothy Sipples Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Personal Communications Printer S

Re: WTO for message that will require explicit deletion?

2019-07-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
I would expect cleanup of outstanding WTOs for any address space, be it a job step, a started task, a tso session of a Unix shell. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 4:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.U

SMF 119 Record Print/Format

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
Are there tools available to print/format SMF 119 records? I didn't see anything on the CBTTAPE. Mark Jacobs Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com), Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com -

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
Try adding GROUPEXTEND to the ACCEPT command. I should have given it to you initially. Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Allan Staller
Try ACCEPT CHECK GROUPEXTEND. It might reduce the number of passes. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Giannelli Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 10:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMPE ACCEPT options Thank you for your help! So I am tr

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Bill Giannelli
Thank you for your help! So I am trying to accept RSU1709 and I am getting more and more missing modules that are neededdo I just keep adding the specified modules through a select? its numbering into the hundreds now. thanks Bill -

Re: Disquieting comment in a Wall Street Journal article.

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 07:52:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >And the relevance of their politics to their knowledge of mainframes is? Zero. Some people seem to have a need to inject their politics into everything. Perhaps in the hope that it will sway people unfamiliar with logical fallacies. -- T

Re: Disquieting comment in a Wall Street Journal article.

2019-07-03 Thread Allan Staller
The whole discussion seems to me to be the typical Ivory Tower pontification. Does they even realize, that despite Mobile Access the transactions are still being processed by a Mainframe? Remember, the last mainframe was supposed to be turned off in 1995 or thereabouts! -Original M

Re: Disquieting comment in a Wall Street Journal article.

2019-07-03 Thread Charles Mills
> a left-wing journal in the UK Really? They are firmly liberal in the European sense of the word, what in the US would be called libertarian. Free markets, light regulation, globalism, invisible hand, all that stuff. Hardly left-wing. They also have more readers in the US than in the UK. And t

Re: how can we do it?

2019-07-03 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Why not a periodic D ,L,CN=(ALL)R ? Use REXX to parse the result. On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:12 -0400 Tony Thigpen wrote: :>My boss wants something is doable. :> :>He wants: :>"I want a notification if there is a 'white message' that has stayed on :>the console longer than 5 minutes."

Re: SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
Use SOURCEID. ACCEPT SOURCEID(RSU*) BYPASS(HOLDSYSTEM). Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 10:03 AM, Bill Giannelli w

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 7/2/2019 9:14 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote: when I try to view Products, Features, and FMIDs action from zOSMF it is blank. could this be due to the fact I had not accepted the base? Whether you have accepted the base or not won't affect the display. But blank, really? It doesn't even show you

SMPE ACCEPT options

2019-07-03 Thread Bill Giannelli
Can I do an ACCEPT specifying RSU or PUT? thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:14:45 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >why might the migration assistant panels be blank for my CSI? The Migration Assistant panels to not list the information. They provide the input needed to run the reports. The reports run in batch. You submit the job after pressing ENTER o

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:14:45 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >why might the migration assistant panels be blank for my CSI? I don't know. Which panel? What did you do? Exactly what do you see? Did you read the help about how to use the migration assistant? Vague questions will not likely get you a v

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Bill Giannelli
why might the migration assistant panels be blank for my CSI? thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: getting a list of FMIDS and the product description

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:07:04 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >Try native SMP/E in batch TSO JCL, instead of using ISPF panels. For a >start, try something like "LIST FMID[s]" or similar against your CSI - >and proceed from there.  LIST SYSMOD FUNCTIONS will give the information the OP asked for, with c

Re: how can we do it?

2019-07-03 Thread Lionel B Dyck
If you don't have an automation package then check out www.cbttape.org flie 974 for TSSO (there are other files but this looks the most up to date) Lionel B. Dyck < Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation

Re: how can we do it?

2019-07-03 Thread Steve Horein
I am lucky to have an automation package to work with, but how about an MPF exit? A quick google search of MPF Exit lead to this page with samples: http://planetmvs.com/freeware/dampf.html On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:06 AM Tony Thigpen wrote: > My boss wants something is doable. > > He wants: > "I

Re: how can we do it?

2019-07-03 Thread Ken Bloom
Tony We have a console automation product that will do that as well as send an email alert if the message stays in answered for a period of time. Call me Kenneth A. Bloom CEO Avenir Technologies Inc /d/b/a Visara International 203-984-2235 bl...@visara.com www.visara.com > On Jul 3, 2019, at

how can we do it?

2019-07-03 Thread Tony Thigpen
My boss wants something is doable. He wants: "I want a notification if there is a 'white message' that has stayed on the console longer than 5 minutes." We had a problem where an unresolved outstanding message was on the console for a bit because the operator was occupied elsewhere. So, he w

Re: Endianness and bit numbering Was RE: STORAGE OBTAIN doc inconsistency?

2019-07-03 Thread Timothy Sipples
Charles Mills wrote: >Absent a total re-engineering of the hardware, that will never >change on a Z box. And if it somehow magically did change, every >bit of Z software would have to be examined and tested and in >many cases re-coded. There are many "bi-endian" processors, including Power ISA

Re: Disquieting comment in a Wall Street Journal article.

2019-07-03 Thread Aled Hughes
Thanks for sharing that Clark.  It is disturbing in some ways that an ex IBMer appears tobe running down mainframes. As Timothy Sipples mentioned, he based his theoryon an article in the Economist - a left-wing journal in the UK, and I'm afraid that I doubt if any of their journalists understan