Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Yes, I'm occasionally gratified or sometimes just amused by what I think of as a "trivial" programming project nowadays, one which would have left me completely at sea back in my student days. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If God is sovereign, then he is in control

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Bob Bridges wrote, in part: >Speaking as a computer geek with no talent whatever for the visual arts, I'm >curious: Why in the world would artsy folks back then (or even now) want a Computing Office? What did he do with it? Ah, you're confused. "Arts" is aka "liberal arts", generally includ

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

Personally, I like the idea of learning on real hardware if possible. The zD&T can teach you software, but where is the HMC? Where are the cards, where are the cables? A few z13s boxes were possibly available to me last year if I would have asked nicely and driven my old truck 2000 miles and

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

On 4/15/22 6:35 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: Nothing in particular about the z114, other than the seller is offering it to me at an unbeatable price. Okay. You have passed the "you've been informed" and "you have an idea what you're biting off" gates. That's my concern as someone else in the hob

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

I do not want to dissuade you from this endeavor. But, if you are only interested in learning about z/OS, you might consider the path outlined in the link below. Specifically, the Personal Edition. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zdt/12.0.5?topic=overview This is the official IBM mainframe emul

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 15:37, Phil Smith III wrote: > > Yes to the editing! Indeed. Smells like a self-published book that badly needed an editor -- even just a proofreader or spellchecker. > The Xerox I learned PL/C on was a Xerox 530, a midrange that my dad bought > for the nascent Arts Compu

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

Nothing in particular about the z114, other than the seller is offering it to me at an unbeatable price. In terms of the zD&T, I have messed around in Hercules before, and it would probably be more expensive than buying the unit that I am looking at. I am also hoping to learn more about the 'car

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Yep. Been hearing a lot from IBM people a few from the seven dwarfs then the bunch, not much from those who tried to get in but never had the chance. Very interesting point of view. Later you hear from Microsoft People and some Linux people and other systems. On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 7:06 PM Mike

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Umm -- Have you heard of CGI? Or Noam Chomsky? Back in the days discussed by Phil CGI as such did not yet exist of course (the hardware was much too primitive), but I don't think anyone can deny that computers provide serious tools for art of many kinds, both linguistic and visual. Chomsky's

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Speaking as a computer geek with no talent whatever for the visual arts, I'm curious: Why in the world would artsy folks back then (or even now) want a Computing Office? What did he do with it? And yes to Beowulf! I read it as a child and adored it; I still have vivid mental images of monste

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Yeah, I didn't want to be too picky but it was badly written on several levels. Still fascinating, though. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* In the end time, lambs will lie down with lions. Even then I will want to be a lion, I think. -attributed to David ben-Gurio

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

On 4/15/22 3:32 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: Hello. Hi, I am a US high school student who is seriously considering acquiring a z114 mainframe. I hope that I don't come off too wrong when I ask, but why do you want a z114? -- I completely get wanting a mainframe. -- But why a z114? Or, per

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

Visara also makes a rack mount replacement dasd for Ds6800 and ds8000 Kenneth A. Bloom CEO Avenir Technologies Inc /d/b/a Visara International 203-984-2235 bl...@visara.com www.visara.com On Apr 15, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: Thank

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

Thank you for the input. Would you know where to look for ckd devices? I have seen parts of a DS6800, but always without the controller. I know luminex and IBM also make smaller rack mount units, but I haven't seen any of those either. From: IBM Mainframe

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

3-phase is not needed for the z's. If the DS8000 is only partially filled, it's happy with single-phase also. I have replaced the three-phase cable ends with single phase 220v ends on several DS8000s. Tony Thigpen Jay Maynard wrote on 4/15/22 17:50: Basically, running FBA storage restricts

Re: HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

Basically, running FBA storage restricts you to running z/VM and z/VSE, and possibly z/Linux (I've never run it on FBA, but there's no particular reason it wouldn't work). z/OS requires CKD DASD. Learning experience? Absolutely! I want to get a z/Series myself, but there's a tradeoff there...in p

HS student with question about small mainframe DASD

Hello. I am a US high school student who is seriously considering acquiring a z114 mainframe. I have found a listing selling one for a price that I think is reasonable, and I have determined that I can meet the space, transportation and power requirements for the machine. I did however have one

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Yes to the editing! The Xerox I learned PL/C on was a Xerox 530, a midrange that my dad bought for the nascent Arts Computing Office at University of Waterloo, which he was creating to bring computing to the Arts faculty. At the time, UofW had a 360/75 and a /44, but those were in the Math buil

Re: How to reconfigure the STP role by HMC or By GDPS

Speaking from experience testing STP in the IBM Poughkeepsie development lab, on whether “Could we directly modify the role as the target without intermediate transition steps when z/OS and subsystem are running?”: Yes, you can use the HMC Manage System Time dialog to go from the current configu

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

That's a brilliant read, thanks for posting. Amazing to see the perspective of an early CIO in action considering the S360 offerings against their competitors as things looked to them at the time. And also a brilliant exposition of what really happened at Xerox from someone with a seat at the

Re: IZSAM

Yes, I just installed it and used it to collect our March data and transmitted it to the IBM repository for processing. No issues so far. I did not have to install the DB2 Analyzer and I suspect that is what you are having fun with... Bonnie Barthel Senior IT Specialist 719.649.7888 Mobile bonni

Re: Reliable source for OCO?

It's right in the GI manual: Object code only and limited source availability Some z/VM components, facilities, and features are distributed in object code only (OCO) form. No source program materials are available for the following: • AVS • Dump Viewing Facilit

IZSAM

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Re: Reliable source for OCO?

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 12:16, g...@gabegold.com wrote: > > I'm still here, though not posting much these days. Hi Gabe! >I pulled out my source file -- about 1 1/2 inches thick, including SHARE SSD >(SHARE Secretary's Distribution, as opposed to solid state device!) #349 from >August 1986, and

Re: Reliable source for OCO?

I'm still here, though not posting much these days. I pulled out my source file -- about 1 1/2 inches thick, including SHARE SSD (SHARE Secretary's Distribution, as opposed to solid state device!) #349 from August 1986, and SHARE 64 Session #0042, "All Your Fears are Sourceless" (report of the V

Re: Reliable source for OCO?

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Re: Reliable source for OCO?

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:37:32 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I'm editing the wikipedia [[Operating system]] article, and another editor has >challenged the sentence "The logic manuals for their >contemporary descendants, z/VM, z/VSE and z/VM, are not available to the >general public." What are t