Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Denis
Hi Joe, the issue is windows, but caused by crowdstrike. Unlike Linux, Microsoft Windows never implemented switchable boot images. Microsoft loads all drivers as separate files. Linux has a one file/image kernel that includes all the loadable kernel driver modules. Its just bad design, if one d

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread David L. Craig
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 12:48 AM Joe Monk < 05971158733e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > [snip] > "Script Kiddies" is industry slang for kids who write viruses and then > attempt to deploy them. Not all of them are malicious, but nevertheless > they are PUPs (potentially unwated progra

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Michael Oujesky
And to think this happened from an inadvertent coding error. Just think what might it would have been like if one of their staff actually wanted to distribute malware. At 06:39 PM 7/19/2024, Joe Monk wrote: More to the point, the issue is not Windows, but the abuse of Windows. Example: req

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Mike Schwab
https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/u882o5/intro_to_tcpip_over_packet_radio/ On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 11:27 PM Paul Edwards <0676ab6435a5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 13:04:00 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike > wrote: > > >*Are you suggesting using physical

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Paul Edwards
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 13:04:00 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >*Are you suggesting using physical cash because software andhardware >engineers are unable to create a reliable alternative?* > >Absolutely yes. There are myriad reasons, in my case I have a pension paid >into a UK account. Domiciled in

Re: World’s largest computer outing! - Plan B

2024-07-19 Thread Paul Edwards
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 14:38:53 +, Nash, Jonathan S. wrote: >This reminded me of Danny Hillis's discussion about >how we need a plan B for the Internet: > >https://youtu.be/2K6WN3LBHiw?si=R1-dBlYzdZRwCvSr I just watched the video. One of the things he mentioned was the police department being

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Paul wrote: *Are you suggesting using physical cash because software andhardware engineers are unable to create a reliable alternative?* Absolutely yes. There are myriad reasons, in my case I have a pension paid into a UK account. Domiciled in Australia it's the best way for me to access these f

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Paul Edwards
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 10:26:46 +1000, Clement Clarke wrote: >Can we bring back OS/2? It's still available. I bought a commercial license for ArcaOS because I was thinking of switching to it - where there is the ability to actually report bugs and get them fixed without being asked to pay full west

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Joe Monk
"Can you elaborate on this? Who made the decision to require admin rights?" Software developers using the registry to store things. Any software install on a Windows PC requires admin rights to write certain values to the registry. Linux does not suffer from these issues, nor does macOS. "Can yo

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Dave Beagle
In Tech Support we never had an issue with having admin rights to our PCs. Newbies in security/audit had the bright idea to change that. It made us less productive, and gained nothing in return. A coworker called it security theater.  Dave B. إسرائيل قتلت 40 ألف فلسطيني بريء On Friday, Jul

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Dave Beagle
I agree with Leonard. About a year ago, an automatic windows update made my home PC unusable. I had to being it up in safe mode and fall back. Windows is a necessary evil but still evil. Luckily, I rarely use the PC anymore with the iPhone. Dave B. إسرائيل قتلت 40 ألف فلسطيني بريء On Frida

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Clement Clarke
Can we bring back OS/2? Clem. On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:39 AM Joe Monk < 05971158733e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > More to the point, the issue is not Windows, but the abuse of Windows. > Example: requiring administrator rights to do ordinary, everyday tasks. > > This led to "scr

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Leonard D Woren
(Multiple replies included.) Rick Troth wrote on 7/19/2024 6:56 AM: Somehow a name like "Crowdstrike" seems fitting. Yeah, but this was Strike 3.  Seems that Crowdstrike sent out a bad update in 2009, and another bad update a year ago.  Quality control must be non-existent.  I hope they go o

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Paul Edwards
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 18:39:02 -0500, Joe Monk wrote: >More to the point, the issue is not Windows, but the abuse of Windows. >Example: requiring administrator rights to do ordinary, everyday tasks. Can you elaborate on this? Who made the decision to require admin rights? >This led to "script kid

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Joe Monk
More to the point, the issue is not Windows, but the abuse of Windows. Example: requiring administrator rights to do ordinary, everyday tasks. This led to "script kiddies" which caused us to be defensive on PCs, e.g. Anti-Malware. Joe On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 6:31 PM Steve Beaver < 050e0c375a

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Steve Beaver
We never had these problems until Windows showed up Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Jul 19, 2024, at 18:22, Paul Edwards > <0676ab6435a5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 06:46:40 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike > wrote: > >> Some

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Paul Edwards
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 06:46:40 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Some kind of false economy to make the PC the entire tool of choice for >certain routine tasks. > >In the 1980s we had proprietary banking terminals, private/leased line >point to point communications and passbooks. This is a topic of

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Some kind of false economy to make the PC the entire tool of choice for certain routine tasks. In the 1980s we had proprietary banking terminals, private/leased line point to point communications and passbooks. No way our branch network would be unable to perform front counter transactions. We ha

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Dave Beagle
2 things. 1. I noticed it after I sent it. 2. I knew some foolish person or two would take great pleasure in showing their spelling prowess. Yeah, would be nice to be able to edit after the fact. Dave B. إسرائيل قتلت 40 ألف فلسطيني بريء On Friday, July 19, 2024, 2:58 PM, Peter Sylvester <00

Re: DFSORT / SORT and value/necessity of FILSZ parameter

2024-07-19 Thread Sri Hari Kolusu
>> We run sort splits on large tape datasets, with over a hundred million >> records. They get split into 3 separate datasets, depending on the data. These jobs do not use FILSZ. Eric, Does the job SORT the data before split , or is it just splitting with a COPY operation to separate datasets ?

DFSORT / SORT and value/necessity of FILSZ parameter

2024-07-19 Thread Verwijs, Frederick F [NC]
Hello All, Unless I'm misreading the manual, from the DFSORT Application Programming Guide, FILSZ can be used to improve performance. We run sort splits on large tape datasets, with over a hundred million records. They get split into 3 separate datasets, depending on the data. These jobs do not

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Peter Sylvester
Hi, This morning (or night if you want), access to IBM documentation had "error 503" for many pages. (Almost needless to say that that the "report issue" button didn't work anyway). 99.99% uptime?  99 Luftballons;.? Peter On 19/07/2024 15:37, Dave Beagle wrote: Microsoft via a Crowdstrike s

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:31:59 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >*outage not *outing > Yes, but it may be better to replicate misspellings in Subject: lines to facilitate text searches. (Does LISTSERV support threading headers?) -- gil --

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
In fact it is not first time where defender or antivirus transformed into enemy. I remember Symantec update which crippled my Firefox. Just at the moment I needed it to get to HMC and perform IPL, etc. Not to mention the Defender and other AV software deletes your files despite it is NOT a vi

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
The good news is that there is a Plan B. The bad news is that ISBN-13‏ : ‎ 978-1892065001 is a novel, not a plan. Some lawyer is going to get rich off of this sort of thing. If you must outsurce, get iron-clad penaltie clauses and insurance coverage for vendor collapse. --  Shmuel (Seymour J.

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Phil Smith III
It seems to be a driver in those PCs that talks to something in some cloud somewhere somehow. The House is now taking bets on how long it takes to get a coherent story on what happened. (Which is reasonable--fix it, THEN talk about it!) This one seems slightly more self-inflicted (in that the

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Pommier, Rex
I had to go into my laptop via safe mode and delete a crowdstrike file from within windows directory tree to get mine to come back. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 10:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subj

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Rick Troth
I'm not running Windoze so I haven't experienced it first hand, but this does sound serious. From the Wikipedia page: "On July 19, 2024, a faulty CrowdStrike software update  caused blue screens of death on Microsoft Windows machines,  disrupting millions of Windows computers worldwid

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Steve Beaver
There is no plan B Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:36, Schmitt, Michael wrote: > > The impact is larger than just Microsoft's cloud. The cloudstrike update is > causing crashes in Windows PCs and servers. For some it causes the PC to be

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

2024-07-19 Thread Schmitt, Michael
The impact is larger than just Microsoft's cloud. The cloudstrike update is causing crashes in Windows PCs and servers. For some it causes the PC to be unbootable. (It crashed my PC but it was able to restart) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Be

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Dave Beagle
lol spell check but thanks for correcting a 2nd grade word.  Dave B. إسرائيل قتلت 40 ألف فلسطيني بريء On Friday, July 19, 2024, 10:32 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: *outage not *outing The real question is how many (OK, how FEW) CxOs are going to look at this and say "Gee, SPOF, eggs in one ba

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [IBM-MAIN] Connect:Direct

2024-07-19 Thread Phil Smith III
Yes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connect:Direct for a pretty accurate timeline. I was in Sterling VMD 1997-2000 (through the CA acquisition), which was in the same building as NMD (the NDM/Connect:Direct folks), despite being nominally separate companies by then. I never dug into the dich

World’s largest computer outing! - Plan B

2024-07-19 Thread Nash, Jonathan S.
This reminded me of Danny Hillis's discussion about how we need a plan B for the Internet: https://youtu.be/2K6WN3LBHiw?si=R1-dBlYzdZRwCvSr -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Beagle Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Phil Smith III
*outage not *outing The real question is how many (OK, how FEW) CxOs are going to look at this and say "Gee, SPOF, eggs in one basket, *not under our control*, is this cloudy thingy really such a great idea?" -Original Message- > On 7/19/24 at 9:38 AM, Dave Beagle wrote: > >> Microsoft

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Rick Troth
Somehow a name like "Crowdstrike" seems fitting. -- R; <>< On 7/19/24 9:42 AM, Greg Cray wrote: Saw that. Airlines, banks, and numerous other industries were affected. Microsoft 365 after a Crowdstrike update. Greg Sent using the mail.com mail app On 7/19/24 at 9:38 AM, Dave Beagle wrot

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Greg Cray
Saw that. Airlines, banks, and numerous other industries were affected. Microsoft 365 after a Crowdstrike update. Greg Sent using the mail.com mail app On 7/19/24 at 9:38 AM, Dave Beagle wrote: > Microsoft via a Crowdstrike security update is experiencing the largest > outage in world history

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [IBM-MAIN] Connect:Direct

2024-07-19 Thread Dean Kent
My recollection: NDM was owned by Sterling Commerce, which sold network products, while Sterling Software sold storage management solutions.   In 1993 Sterling 'bought' (actually merged with) Systems Center and renamed the product Direct:Connect.    In 2000, CA aquired Sterling Software while

World’s largest computer outing!

2024-07-19 Thread Dave Beagle
Microsoft via a Crowdstrike security update is experiencing the largest outage in world history. Long live the mainframe. Dave B. إسرائيل قتلت 40 ألف فلسطيني بريء -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructi