Re: Slushware

2014-12-29 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com (Alan Altmark) writes: > Yet you never hear "millicode" being applied to storage controllers or > other parts outside of the processor. And you know as well as I do > that they aren't replacing microcode on the processor chips. They're > replacing the OS and the applicatio

Re: Slushware

2014-12-28 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#161 Slushware http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#163 Slushware http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#164 Slushware as an aside ... the hardware layer from i86 instructions to risc micro-ops for execution ... isn't serialized ... it is pipelined oper

Re: Slushware

2014-12-27 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > How many layers have I neglected? Hercules is a confluent branch. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#161 Slushware http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#163 Slushware for other hercules drift ... risc processors h

Re: Slushware

2014-12-27 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > It began nearly a half century ago with microcode implementation of S360 > models, and only slightly later, W. M. Waite's Mobile Programming System. > Nowadays: > > microcode->millicode->PR/SM->VM->JVM->byte code > > How

Re: BDW length vs. Physical Length

2014-12-25 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
cblaic...@syncsort.com (Blaicher, Christopher Y.) writes: > ECKD, which is what all modern DASD is, stands for Extended Count Key > Data. The 'Extended' refers to the channel commands you can issue, > not the devices capabilities. All blocks written to a ECKD device > consist of a Count field, an

Re: z/OS MD5 file hashing

2014-12-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
002782105f5c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Frank Swarbrick) writes: > Does anyone know of a program/subroutine that can read "any kind" of > MVS sequential dataset and calculate an MD5 hash on it?  By "any kind" > I am specifically meaning a file that is either FB or VB and can have > any LREC

Re: Page Data Set Sizes and Volume Types

2014-12-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
mitchd...@gmail.com (Dana Mitchell) writes: > Just like buying a z CPU and only paying for the number (and capacity) > of CPU's actually turned on via microcode. Things never change! re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#87 Death of spnning disk? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#88 Dea

Re: Page Data Set Sizes and Volume Types

2014-12-04 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
t...@tombrennansoftware.com (Tom Brennan) writes: > Me too - until just a few days ago when I happened upon a number of > 3380's defined at a client site. All I can guess is these were still > real 3380's at the time they needed to be moved to a DS8000. TASID > shows them as 3380-TC3 (whatever th

Re: Death of spinning disk?

2014-11-30 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#87 Death of spinning disk? Want a 100TB disk drive? You'll have to wait 'til 2025; Heated Dot Magnetic Recording combines future technologies for a 10X capacity improvement http://www.computerworld.com/article/2852233/want-a-100tb-disk-drive-youll-have-to

Re: Death of spinning disk?

2014-11-30 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > Percentage/ratio cost differences are not *exactly* what drive cost-based > decisions. To illustrate why, consider these two hypothetical scenarios: > > 1. A 1 TB hard disk costs $100 and a 1 TB SSD costs $1000. > 2. A 1 TB hard disk costs $1 and a 1 T

Re: BBC News - Microsoft fixes '19-year-old' bug with emergency patch

2014-11-17 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
ibm-m...@tpg.com.au (Shane Ginnane) writes: > A company that has to be dragged kicking and screaming into > acknowledging potential security exposures in its OCO code release(s). > Hmmm - wonder where I've heard that before. as undergraduate in 60s I did lots of cp67 enhancements and sometimes IBM

Re: zOS 1.13 – CPU latent demand

2014-10-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
gib...@wsu.edu (Gibney, Dave) writes: > In my opinion, back in the day, there as a benefit of going to > fewer/faster engines. But, with a deep drop off a precipice when fewer > reached one. > > Never again will I willingly agree to be on a single CPU machine. in the past, multiple engines have be

Re: High CPU Utilized

2014-09-19 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
norman.hollan...@desertwiz.biz (Norman.Hollander) writes: > Absolutely agree! I've done various tech sessions, and customer > presentations on this for years. As long as you know what happens > when your system runs at 100%, it's a good thing. There are NO roll > over minutes. What you didn't us

Re: MVS

2014-09-17 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Ed Jaffe) writes: > IIRC, "OpenEdition MVS" (aka OMVS) was introduced with MVS/ESA 4.3 ca. 1993. I've periodic told the tale in late 80s, about senior disk enginneer getting talk scheduled at the annual, world-wide, internal communication group conference ... supposedl

Re: Question concerning running z/OS LPARs under z/VM

2014-09-16 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
allan.stal...@kbmg.com (Staller, Allan) writes: > z/VM solved the nested paging issue the late 80's. Usually by making > the guest image so large that paging never became an issue. > There was also the "preferred guest" feature. The problem was worse than you can ever imagine. I pontificated a lot

Re: Fwd: [sqlite] presentation about ordering and atomicity of filesystems

2014-09-13 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes: > If the hardware knows it has incomplete information to write an entire > block because of some abnormal hardware condition, then something should > be done to guarantee that any later attempt to read that block will > produce an error indication. If that i

Re: Fwd: [sqlite] presentation about ordering and atomicity of filesystems

2014-09-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > That's a not unreasonable implementation of an architected behaviour > on the B&T/OEMI channel to CU interface, independent of power failure. > If an I/O reset is received by the control unit while a write is in > progress, it completes the write with zeros

Re: Fwd: [sqlite] presentation about ordering and atomicity of filesystems

2014-09-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > This is not about the z, per se, but is interesting. I don't think > that any of the IBM systems have this type of "filesystem". Hum, > perhaps the i? original CMS filesystem from mid-60s ... was somewhat brought over from CTSS ... would simulat

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
latest update on tick-tock for moore's law PowerPoint Presentation - RH_Event_May_2014_-_Intel.pdf http://www.emergent360.com/images/uploads/brands/RH_Event_May_2014_-_Intel.pdf following mentions V3 is "tock" on 22nm tech and some comparison with V4 ... a "tick" on 14nm technology ... intel curr

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > Which is why I've wondered here why IBM doesn't try to find some > market for those chips that's different enough from the traditional > mainframe one that it won't bite into it, but still lets them sell the > chips for at least something. > > Well, maybe t

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Robert Wessel writes: > If you actually tested, cut and packaged the chips on the other > wafers, you'd get a higher number, but you would not, of course. And > unlike airline seats, mainframe chips are not salable by themselves - > you have to put them in an expensive box full of other electroni

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-04 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Robert Wessel writes: > My entire point was that the *smallest* systems have the best price > per processor chip (although that's entirely meaningless for the > customer, since customer don't buy CPU chips, they buy performance, > which does get better on a per-dollar basis on larger systems). > >

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > latest haswell-E @ $1k (and less) > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e-cpu,3918.html > http://www.extremetech.com/computing/188911-intel-haswell-e-review-the-best-consumer-performance-chip-you-can-buy-with

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Robert Wessel writes: > That number is certainly too low. EC12s have 1-4 books, each with six > processor chips (yes that comes to 144, only 120 can be used), and > anyone not buying a configuration topped out for the number of books > installed will have more chips. BC12s have either one or two

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > intel's new 14nm fab @$5B assuming 4yr recovery of upfront costs (use > declining as new technology fabs come online and obsolete it) and > hypothetical 100,000 wafers/month ... would be 4.8m wafers or $1m/wafer > ... at 138

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > US$3,000,000,000 / 20,000 z/CPU = $150,000 re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#85 Demonstrating Moore's law http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#86 Demonstrating Moore's law 1qtr2014 mainframe revenue was equivalent of 18 max. configured ec

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > But suppose IBM chooses a prospect and pays the $2B. The contract > would surely include a committment to supply IBM with N chips each at > a price of > > $2B/N + incremental manufacturing cost. > > But who pays for the

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-09-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > this somewhat comes up in the discussion about ibm selling its chip fab > business ... and possibly nobody wanting to acquire the east fishkill > and burlington fabs. in an (linkedin) ibm employee discussion, somebody re: http://www.gar

Re: Amdahl UTS manual

2014-08-26 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > That sounds good to me. But, me being me, I would caution your friend > in one regard. That manual is most likely copyrighted. If it is, then > scanning it and uploading it _might_ result in prosecution. Especially > if the copyright holder objec

Re: Ada's fate

2014-08-23 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
rto...@ceti.com.pl (Tomasz Rola) writes: > I am sceptical to this trend, like I have written already, but > apparently it is happenning right in the front of us, if one looks > carefully. Also, the idea that some guy who is unable to learn other > language will be behind software flying heavy stuff

Re: Ada's fate

2014-08-23 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
rto...@ceti.com.pl (Tomasz Rola) writes: > So, now the 5-6 years old anecdote about one contractor stating that > "Ada is obsolete" makes much more sense, even though at the time I > read it, it sounded rude and immoral. It doesn't really matter anymore > what language will be choosen for a project

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
wgshi...@benekeith.com (Greg Shirey) writes: > For these mainframe-centric businesses, the Cobol application suite > that runs the heart of the business isn't going anywhere. "But they > still need to deal with the declining Cobol workforce . . . to keep > these systems viable for the next decade o

Re: another question about TSO edit command

2014-08-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
bgodfrey...@gmail.com (Bill Godfrey) writes: > Back in the 80's I worked at a place that had an IBM 7171 ASCII Device > Attachment Control Unit, to which we could connect terminals like > VT100's and, ISTR, a line from a modem to which a PC running a VT100 > emulator could dial in, logon, and use I

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-30 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: > Page selection and selective page rewriting operations are, or at > least should be, entirely separable operations. Moreover gather-write > channel programs are in my experience 1) as efficient as > connected-block ones and 2) not notably more difficult

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-30 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: > That said, Timothy Sipples is clearly right in general: The use of > significant system-software resources to identify and share > bit-equivalent pages, even big ones, dynamically is not likely to pay > for itself in a z/OS environment. The major optimiz

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-28 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Understood. When I first explored the S/370 instruction set, it > appeared to me that the S/360 designers had anticipated support > for location-independent code (as envisioned by Lynn Wheeler), > but software never realized

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-28 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > Sounds a bit like a z/VM DCSS. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#85 z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses an issue with DCSS (and each virtual address space not being able t

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-27 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > Sounds a bit like a z/VM DCSS. but that isn't how i originally implemented it, first on cp67/cms and then moved over to vm370/cms ... as part of paged mapped filesystem for cms http//www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap but as i've previousl

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-27 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
tim.zie...@aon.com (Tim Zielke) writes: > 4. (Nth time load of a load module into the system by secondary > address space B) When loading the module into the virtual address > space B and physical memory, make sure any virtual pages for the load > module that do not need to be altered for B and we

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-25 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > z/VM performs such magic in at least three different ways: Discontiguous > Saved Segments, Named Saved Systems, and VM Data Spaces. These mechanisms > are probably somewhat relevant to z/OS when it operates as a z/VM guest. > > I hate to disagree with

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
d...@lists.duda.com (David Andrews) writes: > That tickles a neuron. Was there not a "RASP" component to OS/VS1 > JES? re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#66 z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#66 z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses a little more topic drift. part of the MVT storage allocation issues was with contiguous storage allocation. quite a few customers were convinced to or

Re: z/OS physical memory usage with multiple copies of same load module at different virtual addresses

2014-07-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > If each ADCON is made relative to a location in the module (paired > relocation), the entire module is location-independent and can be > mapped to any location in various address spaces. I know of no > z/OS facility to explo

Re: IBM to sell Apples

2014-07-16 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Do they plan to port iOS to zSeries? > > Alas, this is consigning OS X to the back burner. ibm jointly funded mit for project athena with dec for $25M each http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Athena ibm then funded cmu for

Re: TSO Test does not support 65-bit debugging?

2014-07-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > back before OCO (object code only) enormous amounts of innovation and > new stuff was done by customers and/or ibm support people onsite at > customer accounts ... which then morphs into IBM products ... CICS, IMS, > HASP, ASP, et

Re: "F[R]eebie" software

2014-07-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Ed Jaffe) writes: > So-called "free" software is rarely, if ever, functionally competitive > with priced offerings. > > For example, I know from experience that demonstrating real > productivity gains derived from (E)JES functional superiority over the > "free" TSO/E OU

Re: CMS Editors was TSO Test does not support 65-bit debugging?

2014-07-07 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
chris_webs...@bmc.com (Webster, Chris) writes: > I remember using full screen editors named EDGAR and FUSE prior to > XEDIT. Don't remember which came first or their official IBM status. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#99 TSO Test does not support 65-bit debugging? http://www.garlic.c

Re: TSO Test does not support 65-bit debugging?

2014-07-06 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > people use to horrible MVS/TSO human factors would have hardly noticed > the issues with remote 3270 support (controller running at 19.2kbits/sec > back to datacenter) ... but was major issue for people use to vm370/cms > interactiv

Re: TSO Test does not support 65-bit debugging?

2014-07-06 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > That might have made sense if CMS had full capability to LINK and ACCESS > MVS volumes, and to FILEDEF data sets via catalog lookup, and to XEDIT > PDS (later PDSE) members. Otherwise not. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/20

Re: TSO Test does not support 65-bit debugging?

2014-07-06 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes: > Lynn: > > Good Point. > I believe ISPF (formally SPF) was written at a customer site (MY > faulty memory says it was PLAYTEX but I could be wrong). > Another (less known was PCF) also I *THINK* SDSF was the same. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.ht

Re: TSO Test does not support 65-bit debugging?

2014-07-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: > I think that IBM long ago concluded that it could not do everything, > and thus that the existence of other centers of development, the ISVs, > was and is in its best interests. > > The problem with the separate, individual consideration of the > business

Re: Mainframe on NCIS

2014-06-22 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
ba...@mxg.com (Barry Merrill) writes: > Listening to a past NCIS, we think it may have been Season 9 Episode 13: > > "How did you get that voice message he had deleted from his Cell Phone?" > > "I used the service provider's MAINFRAME". except possibly non-mainframe backend server. 2nd part of th

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-22 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > Cringely recently published: "The Decline and Fall of IBM" > http://www.cringely.com/2014/06/04/decline-fall-ibm/ loc1630-34: AFTERWORD What if Ginni Doesn't Listen? Here's what the IBM insider I quoted in my introduc

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-15 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#12 Demonstrating Moore's law http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#13 Demonstrating Moore's law in the wake of FS failure ... some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys there was a made rush to get stuff back into the 370 product

Re: Emulating z CPs was: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-13 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#16 ibm press from 17feb1992, "scientific and technical only" http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2 more ibm press 11may1992, "company caught by surprise by national lab interest in cluster computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#600

Re: Emulating z CPs was: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
mitchd...@gmail.com (Dana Mitchell) writes: > Well, yes I can, I can run it at home too > > My point was, when will it be uneconomical enough for IBM to quit > producing 'real' z CPs and only offer z machines running on power > cores? re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#9 Demonstrating

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) writes: > Hmmm Might "3D Printing" be a precursor to Star Trek's > "Replicator" technology? That could render just about everything > "free". But then many would need bigger closets on-demand computing ... on-demand (3d printed) clothes, when done wearing

Re: Check out IBM Said Near Deal With Globalfoundries for Chip-Making - Bloomberg

2014-06-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Report says IBM nears chip deal http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/money/companies/ibm/2014/06/11/report-ibm-deal-globafoundries/10352095/ The news that GlobalFoundries may not be interested in the plants leaves open the prospect that IBM workers would leave the plants, a major blow to Dutch

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
patrick.mul...@gwl.ca (Mullen, Patrick) writes: > Isn't this a bit like saying that because the price of the chips in a > 1990 Lexus vs those in a 2014 Lexus has dropped by a factor of (say) > 1000, a 2014 Lexus should cost $50? > > Silly analogy I know, but more seriously, what proportion of the >

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
patrick.mul...@gwl.ca (Mullen, Patrick) writes: > Isn't this a bit like saying that because the price of the chips in a > 1990 Lexus vs those in a 2014 Lexus has dropped by a factor of (say) > 1000, a 2014 Lexus should cost $50? > > Silly analogy I know, but more seriously, what proportion of the >

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Cringely recently published: "The Decline and Fall of IBM" http://www.cringely.com/2014/06/04/decline-fall-ibm/ loc1366-69: THE HARDWARE PROBLEM: IBM’s hardware business has struggled the most recently, and turned in a big loss in 2013. Its difficulties are a direct result of Moore’s Law. Moore’s

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
lindy.mayfi...@sas.com (Lindy Mayfield) writes: > It is quite clear that IBM mainframes follow Moore's law, and I wanted > to see if I could verify that somehow. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#8 Demonstrating Moore's law http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#9 Demonstrating Moore's la

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes: > I also learned a lot thanks to you and your posts. Those posts from > Anne and Lynn Wheeler got me wheeling around with all those > interesting tid-bits which I'm still trying to digest... :-) ... mainframe chips now have to be made fr

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-10 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > missed single table with transistor count back to 1971 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count > > includes 4-core z196 and 6-core ec12 ... but also ibm power and cell. > > also various other kinds of tech

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-10 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Ed Finnell) writes: > Sorry I just did cut and paste from Wiki. Looked OK in composition. Think > listserv may have intervened. > > Z12: > chip measures 597.24 mm2 and consists of 2.75 billion transistors. > > Z10: > The chip measures 21.7×20.0

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-10 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#2 Demonstrating Moore's law http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#4 Demonstrating Moore's law http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#5 Demonstrating Moore's law part of the issue of applying Moore's law to mainframes was that they had more like 7-8yr cyc

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-10 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > Your choice of workloads for conducting such measurements matters far > more than anything else. If you constrain your universe of workloads > to only those that can "conveniently" run on the oldest system, you're > already putting your thumb on the sc

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
deerh...@ix.netcom.com (Bob Rutledge) writes: > http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/history/museum-gordon-moore-law.html re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#2 Demonstrating Moore's law 370/168-3 3MIPS approx 40yrs ago, ec12 743MIPS processor, 248times, approx. 1.23 to 1.24 times every 1

Re: Demonstrating Moore's law

2014-06-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Robert Wessel writes: > I'd be careful making that claim... > > A resource is: > > http://www.tech-news.com/publib/index.html > > Anyway, approximate price for a 485 MIPS 9021-9X2 in 2Q94 is $1.3M, > for a 78,426 MIPS 2827-7A1 in 3Q12 $33.1M. > > In terms of MIPS growth, that's 161-fold in 18 year

Re: Costs of core

2014-06-04 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) writes: > Heck, your PHONE has more memory, storage, and cores than most mainframes > in the last century. And certainly more memory than existed on the PLANET > when most of us started in this business... 20yrs ago we were brought into the largest airline res system

Re: Costs of core

2014-06-03 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > There was a problem as more and more services moved into virtual > machines (common terminology now calls it virtual applicance, but then > was called service virtual machines) ... that even if the system auto > re-ipl'ed w

Re: real vs. emulated CKD

2014-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
rpomm...@sfgmembers.com (Pommier, Rex) writes: > While I don't know when the 3390s last rolled off the assembly line, I > believe they were all SLEDs. After that came the short-lived > 9340/9345 subsystem which had a different track length than the 3390 > (built on 5 1/4 inch drives), then the RAM

Re: Costs of core

2014-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
ee...@us.ibm.com (John Eells) writes: > It's certainly true that running the first large MVS system required a > significant number of people (operators, production control, system > programmers, etc.). However, the second through *n*th had far lesser > incremental cost. I was a sysprog during th

Re: real vs. emulated CKD

2014-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
dasdbi...@comcast.net (DASDBILL2) writes: > I know it has been "decades" since IBM manufactured its last real CKD > controller, but what was the exact date when the last new one was > shipped? re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#82 Costs of core http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#83 Cos

Re: Costs of core

2014-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
kees.verno...@klm.com (Vernooij, CP - KLM , SPLXM) writes: > I still remember the early 80's, on a 3031/3033 or so I think, when > IBM decided to sell memory in 1MB units only. We needed 0.5 MB > expansion for the next year and my manager was very angry with IBM > about the unnecessary waste of mo

Re: Costs of core

2014-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes: > Let me rephrase: Memory redundancy is not unique to mainframes. > It can be mirroring as well. Mirroring consumes more memory than RAIM, > but non mainframe memory is dozen times cheaper, so it's still not so > bad. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/20

Re: OT - Quantum Teleportation Feat Brings Ultrafast Computer Networks Step Closer To Reality

2014-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
ibm-m...@tpg.com.au (Shane Ginnane) writes: > Not surprisingly, since they very earliest reports of such successes, > there were murmurings that a large proportion of the fundamental > research had been done/financed by organisations closely aligned to > the former employer of a certain Mr Edward S

Re: non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape.

2014-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#75 non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape. when I got to play disk enginneer in bldgs 14&15 ... some old posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk got to work some with person that got original RAID patent http://en.wikipedia

Re: non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape.

2014-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
harris...@gmail.com (Graham Harris) writes: > I recall Storagetek talking about RAIT around a decade ago. Not sure if > anything came of it in the mainframe space. The concept seems to be 'out > there' on other platforms. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#64 non-IBM: SONY new tape stora

Re: Costs of core

2014-05-29 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) writes: > I remember my father telling me that core -- REAL memory, a MAN'S memory > (yeah, yeah, sexist) -- was $1/byte. Obviously that would have changed by > the time it all went solid-state, but does anyone remember whether this was > correct or not? originally $1

Re: Special characters for Passwords

2014-05-25 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes: > The RSA device that we used for remote access was user-specific and > clock-synced. To access the corporate VPN you had to supply your > network userid, and the user-specific pseudo-random numeric password > displayed by your RSA card. The pseudo-random p

Re: Special characters for Passwords

2014-05-25 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > The typical challenge-response token from around 1999 looked like a > small pocket calculator (and in many cases could run as one), and had > a (single) DES engine in it. It could be programmed with a 32 or > 64-bit key. The mainframe-based software would i

Re: Special characters for Passwords

2014-05-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > Posted at http://www.ahajokes.com/com065.html with one character changed. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#34 Special characters for Passwords yes, oops, finger slip in URL: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001d.html#52 and with respect to "p

Re: Special characters for Passwords

2014-05-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jperr...@pacbell.net (Jon Perryman) writes: > Password expiration is still valid but for a completely different > reason. Each person has passwords all over the internet (bank, credit > cards, various websites, IBM, ...). The average person never changes > most passwords. With password expiration,

Re: Special characters for Passwords

2014-05-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: > I think there are two things that happen that contribute to phenomena like > this: > > 1. There is a fallacy that I see a lot, particularly in public policy, that > goes something like this: Security is a big problem. It won't help, but we > have to DO SOM

Re: Special characters for Passwords

2014-05-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: > The rationale for changing passwords is not that doing so makes > brute-force attempts to determine their values more difficult. > > It is that these password values may come to be known in one way or > another and that changing them periodically eliminat

Re: Special characters for Passwords

2014-05-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > I hate EBCDIC! USASCII code points are relatively stable, even outside > the USA. old standby ... EBCDIC was the biggest computer goof ever ... originally 360 was suppose to be ASCII machine http://www.bobbemer.com/P-BIT.HTM and http://www.bobbemer.

Re: non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape.

2014-05-19 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#64 non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#65 non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape IBM, Fujifilm squeeze more terabytes out of tape storage; Summary: IBM's advance means a stand

Re: Mainframe (in general) running at 100% not always a bad thing

2014-05-07 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
eamacn...@yahoo.ca (Ted MacNEIL) writes: > From > http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/649/ENUSA13-0568/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=null > > A Long Time Ago in a Data Center Far, Far Away (well, OK, just down the > road from Poughkeepsie in East Fishkill)

Re: non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape.

2014-05-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > 9May2011 ... TS1140, 250MB/sec physical transfer, up to 650MB/sec compressed > transfer ... also no mention of mainfame > http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infotype=an&appname=iSource&supplier=87

Re: non-IBM: SONY new tape storage - 185 Terabytes on a tape.

2014-05-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant) writes: > Maybe because they are not mainframe tape drives. 9May2011 ... TS1140, 250MB/sec physical transfer, up to 650MB/sec compressed transfer ... also no mention of mainfame http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infotype=an&appname

Re: Beyond the EC12

2014-04-27 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#49 Beyond the EC12 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#50 Beyond the EC12 for additional 4341 drift ... old post in (linkedin) IBM Historic Computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#46 From The Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time als

Re: Beyond the EC12

2014-04-26 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes: > Werent they developed at La Gaude ? I was there in the 90s re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.htm#49 Beyond the EC12 4341 was being done in Endicott, maybe thinking about (slower) 4331 that was being done in Europe (Boeblingen) on 4361 (4331 followo

Re: Beyond the EC12

2014-04-26 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
aledlhug...@aol.com (Aled Hughes) writes: > Back in the early '80s, I was told that IBM's Model Range for the 3083 > - E, B and J - used the initial letter of the Product Managers' last > names for the models. Anyone know if this was true? some 3083 topic drift this account has 3081 (& 3033) usin

Re: Another Golden Anniversary - Dartmouth BASIC

2014-04-18 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: > Wasn't CPS a rebranded RUSH? re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#74 Another Golden Anniversary - Dartmouth BASIC is this your work? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen-Babcock pg20 "RUSH as a PL/I Subset" http://www.iron-sp

Re: Another Golden Anniversary - Dartmouth BASIC

2014-04-16 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
et...@tulsagrammer.com (Eric Chevalier) writes: > Maybe not a BIG mainframe impact, but BASIC certainly had it's place > in the mainframe sun, starting with VS BASIC, program product > 5748-XX1. Between 1979 and 1981 I worked for Ryan-McFarland, > developers of RM-BASIC, RM-FORTRAN and RM-COBOL. My

Re: NSA and Heartbleed

2014-04-13 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
How the NSA shot itself in the foot by denying prior knowledge of Heartbleed vulnerability http://www.zdnet.com/institutional-failure-led-to-nsa-missing-the-heartbleed-flaw-728366/ Summary: In admitting it didn't know about a massive security flaw in one of the Web's most used encryption libra

Re: NSA and Heartbleed

2014-04-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Matt Simpson writes: > I think this report is BS. After Heartbleed became public knowledge > due to research by somebody else, Bloomberg's mysterious sources > suddenly said "Old news, NSA has been exploiting that for years, but > we just now decided to tattle on them". > > Of course, I don't tru

Re: "NSA foils much internet encryption"

2014-04-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > NSA used the Heartbeat bug for at least the last two years. > http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/heartbleed-bug-internet-security-ssl I would claim that this is another instance of length issues not being handled correctly in C programming l

Re: Rather nice article on COBOL on Vulture Central

2014-04-10 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes: > The sentence where "VMS" appears has a subject of "computer firms" > (plural), so it is possible the intended reference was to non-IBM > software such as VAX/VMS rather than a typo. Since COBOL was supplied > by multiple manufacturers, only two of the fou

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