Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-10 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2368d56...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 04/10/2015 at 10:39 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: Agile may work in the fluid web world, I don't know what Agile specifies, but I was involved in rapid prototyping and we most definitly

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-10 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A New Performance Model In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2368d56...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 04/10/2015 at 10:39 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-09 Thread Martin Packer
: 09/04/2015 07:13 Subject:Re: A New Performance Model ? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Dave Barry wrote: In the old paradigm, technology was managed by technologists. In the new paradigm, technology is managed by accountants. I hate to break the news

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of1f97a172.f079794d-on48257e22.001a26e3-48257e22.001dd...@sg.ibm.com, on 04/09/2015 at 01:26 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: How do YOU know it's even more expensive? How do I know that yopu exist? You haven't articulated an inviolable physical constant, like some theories in

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL
‎Sometimes, Seymour does make idiotic  comments.  Sometimes? - -teD - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
. But maybe my imagination is too limited. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A New Performance Model Shmuel Metz writes

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: As I said previously, you make some cogent and relevant points, but to the rest of us (well, at least to me) one of the key problems in the OP's situation is still the organizational one, which you still did not address. This is your second post to Timothy

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-09 Thread Tom Brennan
Timothy Sipples wrote: Well sure, it's ONE AND ONLY ONE FACTOR TO CONSIDER. No less, NO MORE. Yep - it's only one factor. But if I can quote Bugs Bunny, It's a doozy. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Steve Thompson
On 04/09/2015 10:44 AM, Aled Hughes wrote: Seymour J Metz said, How do I know that yopu exist? (sic) I felt I had to reply to this. Contrary to your somewhat puerile comment Seymour, Timothy DOES exist. I have had some excellent advice from him over the years which didn't necessarily involve

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 04/09/2015 01:27 AM Subject:Re: A New Performance Model Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
if we're rational. This year we worry about terabytes, and maybe in the future we won't even worry about those. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#65 A New Performance Model ? I've periodically mentioned that when measured in number of CPU cycles access to storage (aka a cache miss

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Aled Hughes
: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 13:22 Subject: Re: A New Performance Model In of1f97a172.f079794d-on48257e22.001a26e3-48257e22.001dd...@sg.ibm.com, on 04/09/2015 at 01:26 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said

Re: A New Performance Model

2015-04-09 Thread Martin Packer
/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Aled Hughes 0050619ca8df-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 09/04/2015 15:45 Subject:Re: A New Performance Model Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Seymour J Metz said

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 781413295.1670697.1428467165279.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com, on 04/08/2015 at 04:26 AM, David Mingee ming...@prodigy.net said: I agree with Ed.  There are always cases where the effort and cost might outweigh the benefit of tuning, but there are still many cases where thereis cost

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of9a37e01c.d769e77e-on48257e21.001b7ffa-48257e21.00232...@sg.ibm.com, on 04/08/2015 at 02:24 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: For example, before even getting to the IT aspects, there are many possible scenarios when rolling out the new/modified business functions late(r) is

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Farley, Peter wrote: Though your [Timothy] points are well spoken and reasoned, you still did not address the basic organizational issue the OP is facing Agreed 100%. As far as I see, the OP is sitting somewhere very uncomfortable and wishing for a quick relief. I agree there may be a

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-07 Thread Scott Ford
Elardus, Agree you 100%. Maybe they need a second pair of eyes to review the design. I know I do and I will bet other software designers and system programmers do. A second pair of eyes is like a Dr.'s second option.. Like you mentioned something was missed and the easy out was a mainframe

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
idfzos...@gmail.com (Scott Ford) writes: Agree you 100%. Maybe they need a second pair of eyes to review the design. I know I do and I will bet other software designers and system programmers do. A second pair of eyes is like a Dr.'s second option.. Like you mentioned something was missed and

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-07 Thread Ted MacNEIL
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: A New Performance Model ? Elardus, Agree you 100%. Maybe they need a second pair of eyes to review the design. I know I do and I will bet other software designers and system programmers do. A second pair of eyes is like a Dr.'s

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-07 Thread David Mingee
edgould1...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:28 PM Subject: Re: A New Performance Model ? Timothy: Its amazing what a blocked 1 file cost not so much in processing but  waiting . Try any program that is fairly IO intensive and you will see the cost

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
and the devil takes the hindmost. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 12:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A New Performance Model ? Highly skilled development

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-06 Thread Rob Schramm
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A New Performance Model ? Highly skilled development talent takes performance and resource utilization into consideration during design, development, turning and testing. Agreed, but only to the degree merited in the circumstances. Highly skilled development

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-06 Thread Scott Ford
Timothy, I agree you have made many valid points. Many times in my career I have heard from various managers, do it quick and dirty, no time, no money. I also have seen the IBM full court press on a customer, ending up causing customer alienation. Part of the issue , IMHO, is that management

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-06 Thread John McKown
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: snip optimizations. If the operations and development teams are working well together, it's wonderful. Some of John McKown's previous posts, for example, suggest he's going above and beyond in helping his colleagues in

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-06 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Scott Ford idfzos...@gmail.com wrote: Timothy, I agree you have made many valid points. Many times in my career I have heard from various managers, do it quick and dirty, no time, no money. I also have seen the IBM full court press on a customer, ending up

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-06 Thread Scott Ford
John, Sounds all to familiar my man when I worked in Europe they used to make fun of Americans doing a project 6x , it was sad...to say the least . But on the flip slide we have all worked with super good people as well as the bad. Btw the money doesn't make it to our pockets , when it

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-05 Thread Ed Gould
Timothy has some points and some not so valid points. Lets put it one way Timothy works for IBM and as such has an inherent bias about the subject matter. As for my opinion, I think its worth a few bodies (currently employed at your place of business) that are probably senior senior types. I

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
Highly skilled development talent takes performance and resource utilization into consideration during design, development, turning and testing. Agreed, but only to the degree merited in the circumstances. Highly skilled development talent and management also know where best to allocate their

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-05 Thread Sam Siegel
in the reactions so far. They're quite...old fashioned. :-( Yes, there is a new performance model, but this new is almost as old as computing. That assertion from the development team's management is certainly possible. Development talent, particularly highly skilled talent, continues to become

Re: A New Performance Model ?

2015-04-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
performance model, but this new is almost as old as computing. That assertion from the development team's management is certainly possible. Development talent, particularly highly skilled talent, continues to become more expensive relative to most other factor inputs in computing. That trend exists